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    Ryan Mallett

    The longer he sits around the more his value goes down.. And this is a bad draft year for qbs. This is the time mallet will go while his stock is higher then it will be in a few years.

    Do we even need mallet? Brady is gonna play til he's 50 right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebrianscal View Post
    The longer he sits around the more his value goes down.. And this is a bad draft year for qbs. This is the time mallet will go while his stock is higher then it will be in a few years.

    Do we even need mallet? Brady is gonna play til he's 50 right?
    As long as we continue to invest in the Oline

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    i would trade Mallett for the right price. maybe look at ricky stanzi of the chiefs as malletts replacement thats if we do trade Mallett to the browns
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    Mallett is not the long term answer. It's clear. The million dollar arm is ruined by the slow reads, the slower feet and butt ugly footwork. His instincts for moving in the pocket don't seem good either. He has no touch on shorter passes, everything is a Bledsoe like laser beam, often not on target.

    For the next 2 years or so, trade Mallett, resign Hoyer for the minimum, and do whatever it takes to get the next Luck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    For the next 2 years or so, trade Mallett, resign Hoyer for the minimum, and do whatever it takes to get the next Luck.
    Does that mean tanking to get a high pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austeezy View Post
    Does that mean tanking to get a high pick?
    Nah, it means finding the next:

    2nd round: Favre, Brees, Lomax
    3rd round: Montana, Ken Anderson, Fouts, O'Donnell, Schaub, Chandler
    4th round: Jurgensen (2nd now), Gannon, Garrard, Beuerlein, Orton, Brooks
    5th round: Brunell
    6th round: Brady, Bulger, Rypien
    7th round: Cassel
    8th round: Green, Grbac
    9th round: Unitas (4th round now), Brad Johnson
    10th round: Staubach (4th round now)
    17th round: Starr (7th round now)
    Undrafted: Warner, Garcia, Krieg, Delhomme

    Note that all of these guys are rated in the top 75 QB Rating all time, and the underlined are in the HOF, or will be in the HOF at some point.

    No need to get a top 3 pick, since there are about as many killer washouts the last 30 years as names on my list.
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    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    I'm really interested to see what Mallett has. The fact that he hasn't really played a game makes value go down. If the Browns are desperate I could maybe see a 2nd.

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    id trade mallet just because i dont think he is the future nor is he worth waiting for (24 now) could be 27 before he got a shot here. Im just hoping pats do what they can to get braxton miller when he enters the draft (14?,15?) I think he has all the tools for the direction the nfl is heading and the urban myer bb relationship might help as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    Nah, it means finding the next:

    2nd round: Favre, Brees, Lomax
    3rd round: Montana, Ken Anderson, Fouts, O'Donnell, Schaub, Chandler
    4th round: Jurgensen (2nd now), Gannon, Garrard, Beuerlein, Orton, Brooks
    5th round: Brunell
    6th round: Brady, Bulger, Rypien
    7th round: Cassel
    8th round: Green, Grbac
    9th round: Unitas (4th round now), Brad Johnson
    10th round: Staubach (4th round now)
    17th round: Starr (7th round now)
    Undrafted: Warner, Garcia, Krieg, Delhomme

    Note that all of these guys are rated in the top 75 QB Rating all time, and the underlined are in the HOF, or will be in the HOF at some point.

    No need to get a top 3 pick, since there are about as many killer washouts the last 30 years as names on my list.
    Not that I disagree with the principle, but you would really be satisfied with some of the guys listed above? Regardless of QB rating, do Garrard, Brooks, Orton, Cassell, Brad Johnson, Delhomme or their future reincarnations really impress? Also not exceptional winners unless held up by gigantic crutches (eg Johnson's Bucs defense, etc). Sure you CAN win with those guys, but in the modern QB driven league (notably more so than some of this guys' respective eras) why settle for less? Would much rather play an educated guess with a first round QB that BB or JMcD hand pick and develop rather than hoping for a lottery ticket. FWIW, the irony of this statement doesnt escape me given that a large majority of their success the past 10 years has been due to hitting the ultimate lottery ticket. Just not sure if can be done again. Given their proclivity for trading out of 1st round picks, why not make that gamble one of the next few years to a team that overestimates its talent for a 1st the next year, in hopes of scoring a pick mid-teens or higher? I trust BB a lot more to evaluate league talent and trends (and then develop a higher ranked prospect) than taking shots on individual later round QB prospects, which is like picking a needle out of a haystack

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollins94 View Post
    Not that I disagree with the principle, but you would really be satisfied with some of the guys listed above? Regardless of QB rating, do Garrard, Brooks, Orton, Cassell, Brad Johnson, Delhomme or their future reincarnations really impress? Also not exceptional winners unless held up by gigantic crutches (eg Johnson's Bucs defense, etc). Sure you CAN win with those guys, but in the modern QB driven league (notably more so than some of this guys' respective eras) why settle for less? Would much rather play an educated guess with a first round QB that BB or JMcD hand pick and develop rather than hoping for a lottery ticket. FWIW, the irony of this statement doesnt escape me given that a large majority of their success the past 10 years has been due to hitting the ultimate lottery ticket. Just not sure if can be done again. Given their proclivity for trading out of 1st round picks, why not make that gamble one of the next few years to a team that overestimates its talent for a 1st the next year, in hopes of scoring a pick mid-teens or higher? I trust BB a lot more to evaluate league talent and trends (and then develop a higher ranked prospect) than taking shots on individual later round QB prospects, which is like picking a needle out of a haystack
    X2..

    I like the idea in trading for a future 1st, not this season with the lack of picks but next season? that should be looked at.

    Trade in '13 for a '14 1st and hope it gets 15thish...Maybe trade the '14 1st/'15 2nd to land in the top 10? its a sound idea.

    it beats trading 3 1sts (including the #6 pick) and a 2nd rounder for a guy who will likely be banged up and not last much past 30 (rg3).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollins94 View Post
    Not that I disagree with the principle, but you would really be satisfied with some of the guys listed above? Regardless of QB rating, do Garrard, Brooks, Orton, Cassell, Brad Johnson, Delhomme or their future reincarnations really impress? Also not exceptional winners unless held up by gigantic crutches (eg Johnson's Bucs defense, etc). Sure you CAN win with those guys, but in the modern QB driven league (notably more so than some of this guys' respective eras) why settle for less? Would much rather play an educated guess with a first round QB that BB or JMcD hand pick and develop rather than hoping for a lottery ticket. FWIW, the irony of this statement doesnt escape me given that a large majority of their success the past 10 years has been due to hitting the ultimate lottery ticket. Just not sure if can be done again. Given their proclivity for trading out of 1st round picks, why not make that gamble one of the next few years to a team that overestimates its talent for a 1st the next year, in hopes of scoring a pick mid-teens or higher? I trust BB a lot more to evaluate league talent and trends (and then develop a higher ranked prospect) than taking shots on individual later round QB prospects, which is like picking a needle out of a haystack
    Of course not, just proving the point that there are plenty of excellent QB's that can be found. If I added Russell Wilson, and Kaepernick that's two more.

    Most of these guys are top 55 QBR all time BTW, and most of them would do better here then where they did play due to the coaching/talent.

    11 of those guys are or will be in the HOF. Some of the rest were All Pros.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    Of course not, just proving the point that there are plenty of excellent QB's that can be found. If I added Russell Wilson, and Kaepernick that's two more.

    Most of these guys are top 55 QBR all time BTW, and most of them would do better here then where they did play due to the coaching/talent.

    11 of those guys are or will be in the HOF. Some of the rest were All Pros.
    Not saying you cant find good Qb play past the first round either, and I am aware that some of the guys on that list are among the best all time. That being said, most expect BB to be gone when Brady leaves and by that time there will have been significant roster turnover as well. I dont think you can rely on the system to create another Brady type player, or even another HOF or pro bowl player for that matter.

    The logic behind picking a more highly touted guy would be that his tools/ pedigree/ etc would be superior to players selected after him, at least in theory. Do you think JMcD is such a QB savant that he knows more than the other 31 teams in the league about what it takes to make a good QB? didnt he pick Tebow? Sure you can find a good, even great QB past the 1st round. But the odds get significantly lower IMO. And while QB bust percentage in the 1st round is obscenely high, the percentage of QBs after round 1 that dont pan out has to be much higher. Its not a case of relative value of draft picks, although this philosophy generally plays at pretty much any other position (case in point the extreme depth of the current roster). But you NEED a good QB to win in this league, now and always. You take the best chance to secure one of these guys at pretty much any cost (short of RG3 level). The first round is the source of most good/great QBs and I guess I'd rather pay a higher cost to get a guy I'm more sure of becoming that upper-echelon sort of player. I absolutely agree you can find that type of QB in non-first rounds, its just much harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollins94 View Post
    Not saying you cant find good Qb play past the first round either, and I am aware that some of the guys on that list are among the best all time. That being said, most expect BB to be gone when Brady leaves and by that time there will have been significant roster turnover as well. I dont think you can rely on the system to create another Brady type player, or even another HOF or pro bowl player for that matter.
    Brady IMO is done after '15, why would BB be gone before that?

    There is significant turnover every year.

    The logic behind picking a more highly touted guy would be that his tools/ pedigree/ etc would be superior to players selected after him, at least in theory.
    And the theory has failed miserably more than it has succeeded. BB will chose the QB to succeed TB based on talent, not a ESPN/Kiper fashion show.

    Do you think JMcD is such a QB savant that he knows more than the other 31 teams in the league about what it takes to make a good QB?
    WTF does that matter? He's not in charge of the draft.

    Sure you can find a good, even great QB past the 1st round. But the odds get significantly lower IMO.
    Define significant? The two best QB's of the past 35 years are a 3rd and 6th rounder. Unitas, Staubach, Starr make it 5 of the top 10 all time. Fours and Jurgensen are two more in the 13-16 bracket. Warner is right there too.

    while QB bust percentage in the 1st round is obscenely high, the percentage of QBs after round 1 that dont pan out has to be much higher.
    That's true of every position, so?


    Its not a case of relative value of draft picks, although this philosophy generally plays at pretty much any other position (case in point the extreme depth of the current roster). But you NEED a good QB to win in this league, now and always. You take the best chance to secure one of these guys at pretty much any cost (short of RG3 level). The first round is the source of most good/great QBs and I guess I'd rather pay a higher cost to get a guy I'm more sure of becoming that upper-echelon sort of player. I absolutely agree you can find that type of QB in non-first rounds, its just much harder.
    There are no sure things. Look at all the bust first picks.

    I'd rather BB use his judgment to do the job, and it takes a high pick so be it.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    This "Bad Draft" kinda feels like where the Patriots shine and find the next superstar. Just kinda has that feel
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    Maybe we get lucky like the Packers and have a Aaron Rodgers fall into our laps at the end of the first round..
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