Mariners and Dodgers in discussion about Ethier

[Iansnightout]

Jason Kubel
Garrett Jones

[CamraMaan]

Oh I agree, there are better options, because most likely a trade for Ethier would be overpaying in some respect... its just hard to fathom a deal where his mere cost is compensated accordingly to make it worthwhile for us to trade the "right" specs to get him. I just don't see the Dodgers really that motivated to move him and cut costs... if they simply don't like/want him, then that's different, but I don't see it happening. GMZ is too smart to get fleeced for a guy like Ethier.

[ciaban]

If the Ethier trade rumor indeed does have any legs, I'm fine with trading for him as a full time player. He can hit RHP, which is the majority of the starters. Its rare to find a guy who hits both RH and LH pitching equally well. Better he hits RHP than LHP since we'll see more RHP than left.

In the AL West the Angles have three RHP and two LHP (CJ Wilson and Vargas), the Astros have four RHP and one LHP (Keuchel), and A's have three RHP and two LHP (Milone and Anderson), and the Rangers have two RHP and three LHP (Harrison, Holland and Perez). Realistically, unless you count Vargas, there are only four LHP in the AL West worth worrying about (Wilson, Milone, Anderson and Harrison; Vargas?) out of the 20 probable starters... that's only 20%, and we play 76 of our games against the AL West this year. I imagine most of the other teams we play will be close to a 3 RHP and 2 LHP split on average (40% LHP)... so maybe 30% of the pitchers Ethier would see will be LHP, and not even the full 30% will be good ones, just like you see in the AL West.

Overall I think it would be worth having him in our lineup as a full time starter.

Now I wouldn't give Walker or Hultzen to get him, and I would be hesitant to even go with Paxton, although under the right circumstances I could see it happen. No way we pay all of Ethier's contract... I'm not even sure I would let them give him to us, with nothing in return, and ask us to pay it all! (That's like signing him as a FA.) He's just not worth the 5/85M he's owed, not in my book. Get it down to 5/70M and I'd give a couple C-level specs with upside. Get it down to 5/60M and I'll give a B-level spec and some C's... 5/50M and now we're talking Paxton and another B-level spec, plus a C or two. If this is a package deal with Gordon and Capuano, as has been mentioned, then it gets complicated, but you start to even out the deal to make it balanced, with the above rating chart for Ethier kept in mind.

1)as others have pointed out he is a total liability on the base paths and is like the worst defender in the league(though he might be able to convert to 1st)
2)while he isn't worth 5/85 he probably would have got more had he not extended, he would have been the 2nd best hitter on the market after hamilton.
3)as far as price and prospects are concerned, like i said before LA picks up half or more and the mariners give smoke and shippers that would be fair for the mariners.

[Iansnightout]

I'd probably give Shipers and Smoak for Ethier at $8-10M per.

Ethier could take over for Smoak and Ibañez.

[ciaban]

I'd probably give Shipers and Smoak for Ethier at $8-10M per.

Ethier could take over for Smoak and Ibañez.

that would be more than 50% of his contract don't you mean 5-7mil? that would be fair for Seattle, and what do you mean you would probably give smoak and shipers, is that to much? like would smoak and mike wilson be more fair?

[jej]

Yeah, I would definitely want to platoon bim, especially since we have .891 OPS vs LHP in Casper Wells. That would be a dirty platoon

He still isn't my favorite option tho as I don't see them paying half of his contract and only wanting a B- level spec or something in return.

[jej]

that would be more than 50% of his contract don't you mean 5-7mil? that would be fair for Seattle.

Man you really hate Ethier don't you?

I don't see that being the case at all. It may be fair, but the Dodgers aren't going to trade him for **** and still pay half his contract. If the Ms only payed $7M a year, then it would probably have to be Paxton+ some pieces.

[Iansnightout]

that would be more than 50% of his contract don't you mean 5-7mil? that would be fair for Seattle, and what do you mean you would probably give smoak and shipers, is that to much? like would smoak and mike wilson be more fair?

Yeah, I'd have no issue if they have Smoak and Wilson either. I don't think 50% paid salary is necessary. I'm fine at the numbers I listed.

I know it's structured differently and backloaded. But doesn't he top at $18m towards the end?

I'd do 50% paid for Smoak and Wilson AND Shipers. In a second.

[ciaban]

Man you really hate Ethier don't you?

I don't see that being the case at all. It may be fair, but the Dodgers aren't going to trade him for **** and still pay half his contract. If the Ms only payed $7M a year, then it would probably have to be Paxton+ some pieces.

no but like you guys have pointed out he is so bad in the field and on the base paths that he is an extreme liability and has a career .100 avg v.s. lefties so he clearly isn't worth that much. and it's not 7, it's 5-7 a year and i don't see why the M's would need to send Paxton the trade i mentioned is about what most of you have ethiers value at anyway.

Yeah, I'd have no issue if they have Smoak and Wilson either. I don't think 50% paid salary is necessary. I'm fine at the numbers I listed.

I know it's structured differently and backloaded. But doesn't he top at $18m towards the end?

I'd do 50% paid for Smoak and Wilson AND Shipers. In a second.

why not since he can't hit half the pitchers they should pay more than 50% it's not like they don't have the money...

it is backloaded, it's about 15 a year to start with a gradual increase

and your overpaying if your doing 50% Smoak, Shippers and Wilson, it would only be Wilson and either Smoak or Shippers + like 40% of the contract or less.

[jej]

I don't think the Dodgers org thinks as lowly as him as you do. At all. No way they pay half his contract for a bust 1B and a career minor leaguer. As flawed as he is, he is worth more than that.

[kpak76]

MLB trade rumors update

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/0...ce-ethier.html

Not liking that the Mariners are making repeat attempts. It means they are serious about landing him.

[ciaban]

I don't think the Dodgers org thinks as lowly as him as you do. At all. No way they pay half his contract for a bust 1B and a career minor leaguer. As flawed as he is, he is worth more than that.

i don't think lowly of him, i think i am being realistic, can't hit half the pitchers in the league, atrocious runner and a worse fielder, oh and he is 30 so he will be leaving his prime soon, he is like a crappy version of delmon young, you you could also get. I wan't to know why you think so highly of him?

And i didn't say have them pay half, i said more than half like 60% of the 85 mill he is owed like they pay 45-50 mill seattle pays like 35-40 mill.

[jej]

I don't think highly of him at all. But you undervalue him too

The dude can't hit lefties but still manages to put up solid numbers overall. Yes he is below average defensively and on the bases, but he can hit.

It's not as much about what I think of him. It's about how the Dodgers don't want or need to trade him, so why would they trade him for nothing and eat half of his contract? It just doesn't make sense. They aren't shopping him, and are in contention with him. Wouldn't be smart to dumb him for scraps

[ciaban]

MLB trade rumors update

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/0...ce-ethier.html

Not liking that the Mariners are making repeat attempts. It means they are serious about landing him.

they really could just get Delomn young for like 9-10 mill on like a 3 year deal without giving anything up oh and he is only 27 so he still hasn't really hit his prime.
The only thing Dre has over him is that he is a good club house guy and a team leader, while young isn't.

[ciaban]

I don't think highly of him at all. But you undervalue him too

The dude can't hit lefties but still manages to put up solid numbers overall. Yes he is below average defensively and on the bases, but he can hit.

It's not as much about what I think of him. It's about how the Dodgers don't want

i don't undervalue him at all, i think he shouldn't make more than 7 mill in a season and as other mariner fans pointed out he is one of the worst defensively and on the base paths.

So why would Smoak + Wilson not be enough? Smoak could be a good back up for adrian and it would clear space for a prospect.