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not sure where new ethier rumors came from. dont like to call anything impossible, but LAD & Sea havent talked "in weeks"
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Not gonna happen
Whoever called Ethier a 25/100 player, you realize he's hit each number only one time in 7 full years right? Ethier is a solid player but he's not going to get a return of Walker, Hultzen, or Paxton in any trade. Zunino obviously would be nowhere near an Ethier package either. Nick Franklin is an interesting possibility because it's about to the point where the Mariners need to realize he projects at 2B and need to move either him or Ackley before they're both needing full time seasoning at the major league level. That could work in the Dodgers favor.
I'd imagine if a deal went down it would look something like Ethier/Capuano/Gordon for Franklin/Furbush/Gutierrez/Ryan/Carp. The teams have already been in contact for weeks regarding Capuano also, when we moved Vargas for Morales we shuffled our lone lefty out of the lineup. Capuano is a southpaw and can eat up innings just like Vargas. The Dodgers badly need defensive help up the middle and Brendan Ryan would be ideal, don't let his stats fool you on his impact on a teams record. Ryan on the move would send Gordon this way, and I truly don't know that he's a long-term answer yet for anyone, I have more confidence in Miller coming up through our system, but if nothing else Dee could be an adequate young stopgap.
A big chip in the trade heading to LA would be Furbush, under team control through 2018 just like Dee Gordon and one of the top couple left handed relievers in baseball last year. Your bullpen badly needs more late inning left handed pitching and I've heard his name floated if something for Ethier goes down. Gutierrez is signed for one more year, came up through the Dodgers organization originally and is a gold glove CF'er who just tore up the Venezuelan league for those paying attention. I know the goal would be to have Bourn filling center and moving Kemp to RF but Guti is the type of guy you want available on your team. We just happen tohave Saunders who looks to be locking down the CF job long-term in Seattle. Mike Carp is a solid backup 1B/LF lefty with power when healthy who could be in the deal or not, we can't include Casper Wells though because Ethier doesn't know how to hit left handed pitching so the right handed Wells could rotate into the lineup in certain situations.
Nick Franklin would be the top 5 prospect, projecting to be playing the same position as Ackley by the end of the year, imo at 2B, but he's so young you never know. Even though he's a top 5 prospect in our stacked farm system, I think we'd include him in the 3 for 5 deal above if enough cash was coming our way, as in near 30 million. We'd be taking on a lot more salary than giving up and we won't renew and quadruple our tv deal revenues until we can opt out in 3 more years, so we have to play it close since Felix will come up for a new contract a year before that happens if over the next few years negotiations move along. We didn't just sign a huge tv deal as your team has. If there isn't that large of a chunk of change coming over, no way Franklin is involved, and possibly even Furbush, killing any deal. Ethier is an above average RF, yet in all honesty he is overpaid and realistically a platoon player turning 31 a week into this coming season, who we'd replace with someone like Casper Wells when facing left handed pitching. Not to mention Ethier's significant drop off in production post-all-star-break for 3 straight seasons. Been annoying hasn't it? Think it's going to get better over the next 5 years as he nears 36?
Believe me, that deal I mentioned above would be the absolute best case scenario in a package for Ethier. To think Taijuan, Hultzen, Zunino, or Paxton would be in a deal is ludicrous if you even know who they are or how our GM times trades of prospects if any do get traded. The timing doesn't fit and neither does the talent level for it to happen in anything for Andre and I know both teams and farm systems very well. Stanton is a much different story.
As a Mariners fan, I'd prefer we don't even give up as much as I mentioned above as being a possible fair deal for both sides for someone on the wrong side of 30 with a pattern of declining productivity as seasons go on. I wouldn't give up any of our top 10 prospects in a deal, our prospects aren't all low A ball players, they're near almost all ready for the bigs this year. This is a situation I'd rather stand where we are as I don't feel it would improve us long-term, if at all in any way. Thought I'd give you guys a Seattle take on it.
For the record I think the Mariners are waiting to see what happens with the Nationals, because they'd rather have Morse considering the difference in productivity vs. what they'd need to give up to get a trade for Morse done vs. Ethier if the Nats deem Morse expendable. The Mariners could have a Furbush or sign Howell and flip him as the centerpiece in a trade for Morse with some other pieces and he'd be a much better value than Ethier. Which explains why we've made no offer on Ethier.
Last edited by Oprk; 01-02-2013 at 11:48 PM.
Lol im glad we leave the wrk to the gms. We just love to rape each other in our own make believe trades.Originally Posted by Oprk:24949341
Seattle needs someone who can help attract fans and make them at least talked about as a wild card Type team.
They were 5th to last in attendance last year.
The avg fan doesn't pay attention to prospects.
The Ms haven't been a post season team in over 10 years.
They need to make improvements now (Ethier trade) for the short term and win look so they at least like a competitive places to play for future Free Agents.
Andre Ethier is NEVER mentioned among the elite players in baseball, he alone will not set any record in Mariner's jersey sales or attendance. So the point i'm trying to make, the idea that Mariner's fans, casual and hard core, would suddenly feel their team was a contender by adding Ethier is...a reach