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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Sox Fan View Post
    Make this infield happen by 2015!

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    That would be interesting. It really depends on if Bogaerts continues to improve that could be viable. Andrus may or may not be extended. There would be a lot of teams in on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
    I think you're making the mistake of applying what other organizations do to the Red Sox. Each organization is unique and promotes based on different philosophies. The O's, for example, may very well have been driven by market demands (Nats playing pretty damn well and O's having very few winning seasons). The Jays, by contrast, were eternally slow with prospects who inevitably flamed out; the prospect sell off was a different departure from form.

    The Sox have been VERY deliberate with their process over the past decade. With Theo at the helm they typically had a 6 week evaluation cycle and made roster moves at the end of each period. The pattern is not quite established with Cherrington but it's likely to be pretty similar given his primary responsibility on the player development side of things under Epstein.

    -Lav- is absolutely right about the likely course. The most common pattern for players moving up the chain is to earn a promotion around Aug 1 to get their feet wet at the next level. The primary exceptions to this have been college talent that was slotted a low-A Greenville and earned a quick promotion in early May.

    Thus far, Bogaerts has followed the common pattern. The most exceptional part of his development has been how early he started, not how quickly he has moved up the ladder. DSL at 17, low-A at 18, A+ at 19 (with late promotion)... basically a year at each level. There's no reason to think they'll break from the pattern.
    Just last year we saw our top prospect have a short stop in AAA. A month there plus another offseason of training could very well be enough for Bogaerts. I know WMB was more of an exception than a rule by far but Bogaerts is the better player. I am close to positive that barring big regression he won't be on the minors for two more years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomar View Post
    Just last year we saw our top prospect have a short stop in AAA. A month there plus another offseason of training could very well be enough for Bogaerts. I know WMB was more of an exception than a rule by far but Bogaerts is the better player. I am close to positive that barring big regression he won't be on the minors for two more years.
    WMB was the exception to the rule... and for a very good reason. He dabbled his toes in the MLB waters when Youk got HURT and played his way into a starting role. Youk was playing very poorly and in retrospect we see the divisiveness of the Youk-Valentine saga. All of that played into WMB getting a chance to play at MLB and he made the most of it for a couple months.

    For the same to play out with Bogaerts he'll still have to get a late season promotion to AAA this year and then bank on an injury to give him the starters role. From personal observation of both I'll also suggest that Xander has a LOT more work to do defensively as he moves up the ladder than Middlebrooks did. I still think that your opinion of him as a player is based almost exclusively on his bat and is not taking this into account. For one of the two most important defensive positions on the field you cannot look the other way on his glove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    Bogaerts will be called up to AAA by early June if he tears up AA at the beginning.

    He is less than 2 years away, they aren't going to let him just sit in AA because of defensive reasons at SS if he isn't going to last their anyways.

    His value is all in his offense for the most part
    Is this sorta like saying "90% of the game is half mental"?

    Are you channeling Yogi Bera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
    WMB was the exception to the rule... and for a very good reason. He dabbled his toes in the MLB waters when Youk got HURT and played his way into a starting role. Youk was playing very poorly and in retrospect we see the divisiveness of the Youk-Valentine saga. All of that played into WMB getting a chance to play at MLB and he made the most of it for a couple months.

    For the same to play out with Bogaerts he'll still have to get a late season promotion to AAA this year and then bank on an injury to give him the starters role. From personal observation of both I'll also suggest that Xander has a LOT more work to do defensively as he moves up the ladder than Middlebrooks did. I still think that your opinion of him as a player is based almost exclusively on his bat and is not taking this into account. For one of the two most important defensive positions on the field you cannot look the other way on his glove.
    Yeah his defense is always going to be weak. That very well may hold him back. But there's a descent chance that going into next year we will have Iggy as a starter at SS which may be just as big of a hole as 3B was when Youk got hurt and Middlebrooks was called up. It's not like they couldn't try to make him learn some more about playing SS while he's in the MLB although that is unlikely given problems he could develop with his confidence.

    I'm not saying I think this is the case, but we may decide Bogaerts will never have the defensive ability to play SS and just play him at SS his first year like when Braun was first called up to play 3B.

    I agree that defense is the big issue with him. I just think his bat can carry him up the ladder faster than you do. We'll see how everything plays out.

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    Yes...yes...yes...redsox get hamilton

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    This is a pretty good read about Stanton. Its list every single team in the MLB and why or why not they would be good trade partners with Miami

    http://www.mlbprospectwatch.com/mlb_...o-stanton.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomar View Post
    Yeah his defense is always going to be weak. That very well may hold him back. But there's a descent chance that going into next year we will have Iggy as a starter at SS which may be just as big of a hole as 3B was when Youk got hurt and Middlebrooks was called up. It's not like they couldn't try to make him learn some more about playing SS while he's in the MLB although that is unlikely given problems he could develop with his confidence.

    I'm not saying I think this is the case, but we may decide Bogaerts will never have the defensive ability to play SS and just play him at SS his first year like when Braun was first called up to play 3B.

    I agree that defense is the big issue with him. I just think his bat can carry him up the ladder faster than you do. We'll see how everything plays out.
    I just found this article that say's his deffense isn't as bad as people think. But the part that I found interesting was that they suggested converting him to RF. Jose Bautista anyone???? I kinda like the idea

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    This sounds about right, but we can dig a little deeper. Xander Bogaerts, the Red Sox top prospect and one of the top power-hitting prospects in the game, will start the season in Double-A, having spent just a month there in 2012. He's already tasted the level and had no problems taking it on (.948 OPS in 23 games), meaning that if he comes out like gangbusters in 2013, he won't be there for long. A hot April and May in the Eastern League followed by a hot June-August in the International League could easily lead to a September call-up.

    Things have changed at the major league level in Boston as far as opportunities go, at least for 2013. With Stephen Drew in the fold, there is little room for Bogaerts at any point in the season, especially if the Red Sox are competitive. Will Middlebrooks will be manning third base, and even when the inevitable Drew injury occurs, Jose Iglesias will be there to take the playing time. Additionally, if the Red Sox want to continue to develop Bogaerts at shortstop, he will have to remain in Double-A longer than his bat will likely need, because if Drew is healthy, Iglesias will probably still be in Triple-A.

    The only way Bogaerts sees any significant playing time in the majors in 2013 is if the Red Sox convert him to right field, a move that would be made more out of organizational necessity rather than Bogaerts' inability to play shortstop. He's actually better at short than he gets credit for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratedr116 View Post
    yes...yes...yes...redsox get hamilton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucis View Post
    Is this sorta like saying "90% of the game is half mental"?

    Are you channeling Yogi Bera?
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    Has it been a little too quiet on the rumors front? Or is that just my perception?

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    We passed the peak of the offseason so that's expected.

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    According to a text from Criollos de Caguas general manager Alex Cora, pitcher Javier Vazquez was "impressive" in his Friday night outing against Cangrejeros de Santurce in the Puerto Rico Winter League playoffs.

    The Red Sox were scouting Vazquez, who was also watched by scouts from the Rays, Nationals and Royals. The 36-year-old righty went six innings, not allowing a run while surrendering just three hits. He struck out five and didn't walk a batter while touching 93 mph with his fastball.

    Vazquez, who is expected to pitch for Puerto Rico in the World Baseball Classic, last pitched in the major leagues during the 2011 season, when he made 32 starts for the Marlins. The pitcher finished the '11 season going 13-11 with a 3.69 ERA, going 5-0 with a 0.71 ERA in the final month of the season.


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    Would Vasquez accept starting the year in aaa? I imagine he could get a starting gig somewhere

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