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    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe View Post
    i don't see him going in rounds 1-2, and while i anticipate him going somewhere in the 3rd, if he were to slip to the 4th, i'd feel comfortable using that pick on him.

    i'm of the belief that we clearly need a QB change, but none of the prospects this year really entice me. as such, i'd consider taking a mid-to-late flyer on a rookie QB rather than invest a top pick on someone i don't believe will be worthwhile down the line.
    If you expect him to go in the 3rd, then you're saying that's where you value him.

    That's kind of like me saying that I'd take Gio Bernard in the 3rd, even though I expect him to be a late 1st or early 2nd round draft pick.
    And no, I would not take Gio Bernard in the 1st, but if he's on the board in the 2nd (and the Jets have a QB by then) then yes he's worth it.

    So would you take Landry Jones in 3rd and use one of your top picks on him?


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    We have to go BPA, I know there's more holes on offense but rite now no one is a clear cut top ten. We honestly should go OLB or OL in the first depending on what's available.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bwallstreet View Post
    haha delusional
    Someone underestimated the jets!

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    I keep reading this crap about losing games to get “better players” because of getting a higher pick in the draft. If you know ANYTHING about NY Jets History – there have only been a handful of top 10 picks that have succeeded for us. In fact, I think I can prove that since the beginning of this Franchise, our best players have not only come after the top 10 picks, but actually more success with later picks than our top 10 1st round picks, and often any 1st round pick was lame compared to picks taken later – with some major exceptions, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Here is a quick summary – of the 25 times we’ve had a top 10 1st round pick – only 6 were stars for our Titans/Jets!

    In the other years without a top 10 pick – there were 20 years were our 1st draft pick was a significantly weaker player than 1 or more later picks – often the 1st player chosen was one of the worst.

    There are lots of ways to look at statistics – but here are the cold hard facts – interpret them the way you like (I did NOT count a pick that became a star for another team, as a positive pick for us – I think that’s only fair because if we passed on them after a small % of their career, and they became stars for other teams – then they weren’t star of ours.

    1961:
    1st round - #5 – Tom Brown – G – never played
    2nd round – #13 – Herb Adderley – DB – HOF for the Packers
    5th round - #37 – Tom Matte – RB/QB – Colts – 2-time Pro Bowler

    1962:
    1st round - #5 – Sandy Stephens – QB – never played
    the rest of the draft was miserable, but it wasn’t until the 5th round, #37 – Bobby Ply, that played more than 1 year for our Jets

    1963:
    1st round - #3 – Jerry Stoval – DB/P – played with the Cardinals 9 years – 3-time pro bowler
    3rd round – #19 – Wille Richardson – WR – 9 year career with Colts (year 8 with Dolphins) – 2 time pro bowler
    5th round - #35 – John Mackey – HOF for Colts

    1964:
    1st round - #3 – Matt Snell – RB (was a 4th round pick in NFL) – 9 year career with Jets avg 4.1 ypc, scored only Jet TD in SP III – although I’m good with Joe Willie winning it – 2-time Pro Bowler – 1-time All Pro
    3rd round - #19 – Jerry Philbin – DE (became the prototypical DE of the future, and was the back bone of the League Leading Defense that won the Super Bowl), probably the back bone of the team – 9 year Jet Career – 2-time ALL Pro
    6th round - #48 (3rd round NFL with Steelers) – Ralph Baker – LB – 11 year starter with Jets

    1965:
    1st round - #1 – Joe Namath – BRAVO! HOF – 5-time Pro Bowler, 1-time All Pro - The Jets drafted 3 other QBs, round 2, 4, 7
    3rd round - #20 – Verlon Biggs – DE – 3-time pro bowler in 6 year career with Jets

    1966:
    1st round - #13 – Willian Yearby – DE – 1 year career, back-up
    6th round - #46 – Emerson Boozer – RB – 10 yr career with Jets – 2-time Pro Bowler – could’ve been the best Jet RB ever, but suffered a devastating knee injury in 2nd year, only playing 8 games, and he still led the AFL with 13 TDs (10 rushing, 3 receiving); he topped that in 1972 in 11 games with 14 TDs
    8th round - #68 – Pete Lammons – TE – 6 year career with Jets – 1-time Pro Bowler

    1967:
    1st round - #12 – Paul Seiler – C/T – 2 year back-up for Jets; 3 year back-up for Raiders – started 1 game in his career
    7th round - #171 – John Elliot – DT/DE – 7 year career with Jets – 3-time Pro Bowler, 1-time All Pro
    12th round - #302 – Randy Rasmussen – LG – 15 year career with Jets – starter till the end

    1968: - bad year
    1st round - #17 – Lee White – RB – 3 year career with Jets – 0 starts; 98 carries – 3.1 ypc
    2nd round - #44 – Steve Thompson – DT/DE – 5 year career with Jets – 0 starts
    3rd round - #72 – Sam Walton – RT – 2 years with Jets – started all 14 rookie year
    the rest of this class continues to stink
    1969: - another bad year

    1st round - #26 – Dave Foley – T – 3 year career with Jets – 0 starts – 6 years with Bills – full time starter
    2nd round - #52 – Al Woodall – QB – 5 year career with Jets – started 19 games – career rating of 60.3
    13th round – #338 – Steve O’Neal – P – 4 year starter for Jets – 40.4 avg – still holds NFL record for longest punt @ 98 yards

    1970:
    1st round - #20 – Steve Tannen – DB – 5 year career with Jets – 0 game starts
    2nd round - #46 – Rich Caster – TE/WR – 8 year career with Jets (5 with other teams after) – 3-time pro bowler (all Jets) - the prototypical big/fast pass catching TE – Jets – 322 rec, 18.1 avg – 36 TDs
    4th round - #98 – John Ebersole – LB – 8 year career with Jets – 8 INTs, 11 FR (didn’t do FF)

    1971: nailed it, but couldn’t keep him
    1st round - #6 – JOHN RIGGINS – 1st 5 years with Jets – 5th year Pro Bowl – with 1005 yards, 8 TDs, and 4.2 avg – JET Career – 56 games started – 928 carries, 3880 yards, 25 TDs, 4.2 avg, way low on the Jets All-time RBs
    9 years with Redskins – 1-time All Pro – HOF
    - the rest of that draft was poor with the best
    12th round - #292 – Rick Sowells – DB – 6 of 7 years with Jets – 10 INTs

    1972: only the 1st round pick worth commenting
    1st round - #9 – Jerome Barkum – TE/WR – 12 year career with Jets – 1-time pro Bowler – 326 rec, 4789 yards, 14.7 avg, 40 TDs (only 4 fumbles)
    the rest were non-starters 1 – 4 year careers

    1973:
    1st round - #13 – Burgess Owens – 7 out of 10 years with Jets – started 39 games – had 21 INTs with 2 TDs, 11 FR –
    12 round - #300 – Garry Peutz – G-T – 6 years with Jets out of 12 year career – started all games year 2, 3, 4, and 5

    1974: bad year
    1st round – 6th (of that 6th pick) – Carl Barzilauskas – DT – 4 years with Jets, 2 with Packers – only started 2nd year
    3rd round - #58 – Godwin Turk – LB - started all 14 games rookie season, then traded to Broncos where he played 3 years and had 6 starts
    8th round - #187 – Ron Rydalch – DT – played 6 years for the Bears – started 8

    1975:
    2nd round (earliest pick) - #37 – Anthony Davis – RB – never made the Jets Team – 1 year with the Bucs – 98 carries, 304 yards, 1 TD, 3.1 avg; 1 year with Rams – 95 carries, 297 yards, 1 TD, 3.1 avg (consistent – consistently bad)
    3rd round - #68 – Richard Wood – LB – started 5 games as a rookie for Jets – then 9 years with the Bucs – 5 year starter
    14th round - #349 – Joe Fields – C – 15 year career with Jets – last year with Giants – 2-time Pro Bowler, and 1-time All Pro

    1976:
    1st round - #6 (ahh – that 6th pick!) – Richard Todd – QB – 8 year career with jets, last 2 with Saints – started 94 of 102 games – 54.6% completion, 110 TD/138 INTs (led the NFL in INTs with 30 in 1980), Jet career QB rating – 68.6 (you thought Sanchez was bad, 10 game winning drives
    3rd round - #67 – Greg Buttle – LB – 9 year starter with Jets; 15 INTs (1 for a TD); 8 FR
    7th round - #188 – Abdul Salaam – D-line (DT/DE/NT) – 8 years career with jets – started 85 of 97 games played – part of our famed “NY Sack Exchange”

    1977: aberration GREAT DRAFT, although W. Walker #2 ALL-TIME Jet Receiving Yards trumps an OT, and the Greatness of Joe Klecko trumps both with his comebacvks
    1st round - #4 – Marvin Powell – RT - 9 year starter for our Jets, last 2 years with Bucs – 5-time Pro Bowler, 3-time All Pro
    2nd - #33 – Wesley Walker – WR - 13 year career with Jets – 2-time Pro Bowler, 1-time All Pro – 8 years avg >20.7 per catch, and a career avg of 19.0 yards per catch – the “one-eyed speedster”
    6th round - #144 – Joe Klecko – DE/DT/NT – 11 of 12 years a Jet – 4-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All Pro – the only player to go to the Pro Bowl at 3 different positions
    8th round - #200 – Dan Alexander – RG – 13-year starter for our Jets

    1978:
    1st round - #4 – Chris Ward – OT – 6 of 7 years with Jets
    3rd round - #61 – Mickey Schuler – TE – 12 of 14 years with Jets – 2-time Pro Bowler – 438 receptions (career – 462), 37 TDs – all-time Jets leading TE
    11th round - #281 – Pat Ryan – QB – 12 of 13 years with Jets – starting record – 11-8-0 – career back-up QB with 31 TDs and 35 INTs

    1979:
    1st round - #14 – Marty Lyons – DT/DE – 11 year career – part of “NY Sack Exchange”
    2nd round - #41 – Mark Gastineau – DE – 10 year career – “ “ – 5-time Pro Bowler – 3-time All Pro – should still have the sack record @ 22 in 1984 (the “Farve Flop” to Strahan should NOT count)

    1980:
    1st round - #2 - Lam Jones (John Wesley Jones) – WR (sort of) – 5 years career – best year was his 4th with 43 receptions and 4 TDs – career – 138 receptions, 13 TDs, 16.8 avg – he should of added an E to his name
    3rd round - #69 – Lance Mehl – LB – 8 year career - 1-time Pro Bowler

    1981: - aberration
    1st round - #3 – Freeman McNeil – RB – 12 year career - 3-time Pro Bowler and 1-time All Pro – 8074 yards rushing and 2961 yards receiving and a career 4.5 ypc – led the league in the 1982 strike shortened season with 786 yards in 9 games with a 5.2 ypc

    1982: very weak draft
    1st round - #23 – Bob Crable – LB – 6 year career – started 43 out of 66 games – 10 sacks and 3 INTs
    2nd round - #51 – Reggie McElroy – OT – 7 years with Jets – 13 in NFL – after rookie year started every game

    1983: the year we could’ve drafted Dan Marino – always hated him, and he won as many super bowls as Kenny O’Brien – but he still was great – IF we had the #1 pick – John Elway probably wouldn’t have come to us either, but maybe Jim Kelly @ 14 but we would’ve had to wait 2 years for the USFL to crap out.
    1st round - #24 – Ken O’Brien – QB (Mr. Sack) – 9 of his 10 years career with Jets - 2-time Pro Bowler (his 2nd year he threw for a career high 3888 yards, 25 TDs and * INTS and led the league in lowest INTs% @ 1.6%, and 8.3 adjusted yards gained per pass attempt (AY/Y), and passer rating of 96.2 AND the thing he was known best for – 62 sacks – can you believe that – but it was his 1st pro bowl – one of thr few Jet QBs that ended up with more TDs and INTs career – 128/96, but had a career win/loss of 50-59-1
    2nd round - #51 – Johnny Hector – RB – 10 year Jet career – led the league in rushing TDs in 1987 with 11, and ended up with 41 rushing TDs and 4.1 Y/A (changing from “yac” – yards per carry because this is now the abbr. for yards after catch, and – 4280 career rushing yards (5th all time Jets rushing), 1661 yards receiving.

    1984: here’s a typical year
    1st round - #10 – Russell Carter – DB – 4 of 6 years career with Jets – started 35 of 40 games @ right CB – had 4 INTS his rookie year, and ZERO for the rest of his career – bust!
    1st round - #15 – Ron Faurot – DE/DT – 2 useless years!
    2nd round - #37 – Jim Sweeney – C/LT – 11 of 16 year career with Jets – started every game after rookie year
    3rd round - #64 – Kyle Clifton – LB – 13 year career with Jets – started for 1st 10 years

    1985: aberration! Although strike out on all other 14 rounds
    1st round - #10 – Al Toon – WR – 8 years career with Jets – 3 time Pro Bowler and 1-time All Pro – led the league in receptions in 1988 with 93 – 517 career receptions, and 4th all-time rec yardage
    leader.

    1986: could be the worst draft ever
    1st round - #22 – Mike Haight – LG – 6 of 7 year career with Jets – started 43 of 56 games – out of the next 10 draft picks – they played a total of 19 years with 7th rounder Bob White had the longest career as 3 back-up years for the Cowboys at Center.

    1987: Could be worse than ’86 – no wonder we sucked!
    1st round - #21 – Roger Vick – RB – 3 of 4 year career with Jets, started 32 of 44 games, 317 carries for 1231 yards and 3.9 Y/A
    2nd round - #42 – Alex Gordon – LB – 3 of 7 year career with Jets – started all but 1 game (40/41) with 9 sacks and 1 INT and 2 FR
    - the rest is HORRIBLE.

    1988: here we go again
    1st round - #8 - Dave Cadigan – G – 6 of 7 year career with Jets – only 1 year a full time starter – his last
    3rd round - #74 – James Hasty – RCB – 7 of 14 year career with Jets – 2-time Pro Bowler with the Chiefs, but started every game as a Jet – 24 INTs, 18 FR.

    1989: somewhat typical
    1st round - #14 – Jeff Lageman – DE/rookie LB – 6 of 10 year career with Jets – started 81 of 82 games – 34.5 sacks and career high of 10 in 1991
    2nd round - #42 – Dennis Byrd – DT/DE – 4 year Jet career cut short by a horrible injury – 28 sacks with career high of 13 in 2nd year (didn’t start any games as a rookie, but started all in 2nd and 3rd year – 4th year cut short with career ending injury) – BY FAR a better pick than Lageman
    5th round - #126 – Tony martin – WR – never made the Jets Roster (oops) but played 12 years in NFL – 1-time pro bowler as he led the league in TD receptions in 1996
    6th round - #151 – Marvin Washington – DE – 8 of 11 year career as a Jet – started 90 of 124 games and had 37.5 sacks as a Jet, 10 FF, 2 FR

    1990: typical horrible low pick
    1st round - #2!!!!! – Blair Thomas – RB – 4 of 6 year career with Jets – started 35 of 52 games – 2009 rushing yards (all stats are just as a Jet with everyone)
    6th round - #140 – Terance Mathis – WR – 4 of 13 year career a Jet – started 4 of 64 games, 93 receptions and 4 tds – DUMMIES – started 124 of 126 games with Falcons – 1-time pro bowler – 573 catches for 7349 yards – 57 TDs
    8th round - #196 – Roger Duffy – G-C – 8 of 12 year career a Jet – started 70 of 123 games

    1991: Somewhat of an aberration because of supplemental draft - only 3 of other 11 drafted players ever played in the NFL - we traded a high 1st round pick for the supplemental drafting of Rob Moore – 5 of 10 year career a Jet – 1 time Pro Bowler – his last as a Jet – he went on to play 5 stellar year with Arizona – 1-time pro bowler and 1 time All Pr0 in 1997 when he led the league in reception yards – 1584, and yards/game @ 99.0
    2nd round - #34 – Browning Nagle – QB? – 3 of 5 years a Jet – started 13 of 18 games all in his 2nd year with a 3-10 record – 49% completions, 7 TD/17 INTs, QB rating of 55.9 – ouch
    3rd round - #63 – Mo Lewis (the crowd goes wild) – LB – 13 year Jet career – 3-time Pro bowler and 1-time All Pro – started EVERY GAME HE WAS AVAILABLE FOR – 200 out of 200 – 52.5 sacks,. 14 INTs, 26 FF, 13 FR, 5 TDs – By far the best player selected that year, and many years - better career than Rob Moore, and especially better Jet Career!

    1992: ouch – again!
    1st round - #16 – Johnny Mitchell – TE – 4 of 5 year career a Jet – averaged 37 receptions/year with 58 in 3rd year – 16 TDs – dropped the ball in many more ways than one
    3rd round - #68 – Siupeli Malamal – RT – 7 year career a Jet – started 41 of 62 available games – the3 majority coming in 2nd and 3rd years – but severe injuries prevented him from playing much 4 – 7.
    6th round - #166 – Jeff Blake – 1 of 13 years with Jets – only active for 3 games with us, but had a pro bowl year in 1995 for Bengals

    1993: a bit of an aberration (no, not really), because he was never what the 4th pick should be
    1st round - #4 – Marvin Jones – LB – NO pro bowls – started 129 of 142 available games – 9 sacks, 4 INTs, 9 FF, 8 FR
    6th round – 144 – Richie Anderson – FB – 10 of 12 year career a Jet – 1-time pro Bowler – started 78 of 134 games – 30r receptions, 10 TDs, 191 carries – 722 yards – 3.8 Y/A 2 TDs
    8th round - #200 – Craig Hentrich – Punter – never played a game for Jets, BUT 16 year career and 2-time Pro Bowler and 1-time All Pro – should’ve kept him

    1994: aberration – although we only got 1 player
    1st round - #12 – Aaron Glenn – DB/KR – 8 of 15 year career a Jet – 3-time Pro Bowler (2 with Jets) – started 120 of 121 games – 24 INTs – 3 TDs – 1996 – 2 KR TDs – with the longest in the league of 100 yards

    1995: - typical
    1st round - #9 – Kyle Brady – TE – 4 of 13 year career a Jet – started 57 of 63 games – 93 receptions
    1st round - #16 – Hugh Douglas – DE – 3 of 10 year career a Jet – started 28 of 40 games – 22 sacks, 10 as a rookie – with Eagles, 3-time Pro Bowler and 1-time All pro – oops
    2nd round - #33 – Matt O’Dwyer – G – 4 of 10 years a Jet – started 60 of 60 games – only 2 as a rookie, and every game in year 2-4 – also a 4 year starter with Bengals in 5 years

    1996: aberration although given he only played 4 years with Jets – was he?
    1st round - #1 PICK! – Keyshawn Johnson – 4 of 11 year career a Jet – started 59 of 62 games a Jet – 305 receptions and 4108 yards with 31 TDs, 13.5 Y/R – 2-time Pro Bowler (and 1 with Bucs)
    3rd round - #62 – Ray Mickens – DB – 8 of 10 years a Jet – 11 INTs, 5 FF, 4 FR
    5th round - #133 – Marcus Coleman – CB – 6 of 10 year career a Jet – started 48 of 91 games – 14 INTs.

    1997: another low pick that becomes great with another team
    1st round - #8 – James Farrior – LB – 5 of 15 year career a Jet – only started 1st and last year with Jets – but started every available game as a Steeler (154 of 154) with 2 Pro Bowls and 1 All Pro
    7th round - #229 – Jason Ferguson – DT-NT – 7 of 12 years a Jet – started 83 of 101 available games as a Jet – was a stud in the middle of the D-line – with 20.5 sacks as a Jet (as opposed to Sione Po’uha’s 4.5 sacks in 7 years) – Kris Jenkins had 24.0 in his entire 10 year career – just saying.

    1998: We trade 1st (#18) and 3rd round draft picks for Curtis Martin, PLUS a “poison Pill” that made it almost impossible for the Patriots to keep him as a restricted FA – MIGHT BE THE BEST USE OF A 1st ROUND PICK since Joe Namath!
    4th round - #111 – Jason Fabini – 8 of 11 years a Jet starting every game he was available for – 3 years a RT (rookie, 2nd year, and 8th year), and all the rest were LT – helped open some holes for Curtis The Great.

    1999: 1st round, #28 was given to Pats for Parcells (Pats used it on Andy Katzenmoyer – LB who started 14 games before a career ending neck injury)
    2nd round - #57 – Randy Thomas – G - 4 of 11 year career a Jet – last 7 with Redskins – started every game available for his 11 year career
    - the entire remaining draft was BAD with only 6th round - #197 – J.P. Machado – C-G – lasting more than 2 years, J.P played 5 with Jets – started 15 games.

    GO JETS!!!


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    2000: perhaps Jets best draft ever with Pats “tampering with belichik” earning us multiple picks, and no pick higher than -
    1st round - #12 – Shaun Ellis – DE – 11 of 12 year career a Jet – 72.5 sacks – 2-time Pro Bowler
    1st round - #13 – John Abraham – DE – 6 of 13 year career a Jet – while a Jet – 3-time Pro Bowler, and 1-time All Pro – 53.5 sacks a Jet – (7 years a Falcon – 68.5 sacks – 1 time All Pro)
    1st round - #18 – Chad Pennington – QB – 8 of 11 year career a Jet – after 1st 2 years on the bench – he started 61 of 69 games available – 2-time come-back player of the year – 2-6 play-off record
    1st round - #27 – Anthony Becht – 5 of 11 year career a Jet – BUST – started a lot of Jet Games (74 of 78) – career receptions – 133 for 1164 yards – 8.8 Y/R
    3rd round - #78 – Laveranues (never realized his 1st name doesn’t say Laverneus – it says phonetically – Laveraneuws) Coles – WR – 7 of 10 year career a Jet – 1-time Pro Bowler as a Redskin – started 90 of 105 games as a Jet – 459 receptions (averaging > 60/year), 12.9 Y/R – 37 TDs
    - That is a good year – didn’t need a top 10 pick, but I think that is fairly clear way before now!

    2001: another early loss of a good 1st rounder – although still >#15
    1st round - #16 – Santana Moss – WR – 4 of ongoing 12 year career a Jet – started 27 of 51 Jet Games (151 receptions, 19 TDs, 16.0 Y/R) – 1st year with Redskins was his only Pro Bowl (like L. Coles) – has had 529 receptions in 105 games starting with the ‘Skins (> 50/year), 45 TDs
    2nd round - #49 – LaMont Jordan – RB - 4 of 9 year career a Jet – never started a gamer as a Jet – averaged 4.9 yards a carry – looked like he had great promise, but no.
    3rd round - #79 – Kareem McKenzie – RT – 4 of 11 year career a Jet (this is becoming a HUGE PATTERN – won 2 Super Bowls as a Giant)

    2002: small number but 4 long careers
    1st round - #22 – Bryan Thomas – DE/OLB – 11 year career with Jets – didn’t get to start full-time until 5th year – not good!, started io4 of 157 available games – 33.5 career sacks – 0 INTS, 6 FF, 6 FR – long career but very mediocre
    2nd round - #57 – Jon McGraw – Safety - 3 of 10 years a Jet – started 8 of 33 games, 3 INTs – played 2 weak years with Lions and 23 of 65 games in 5 years with Chiefs
    3rd round - #88 – Chris Baker – TE – 7 of 9 years a Jet – 145 receptions and 12 TDs
    5th round - #154 – Jonathan Goodwin – G – 4 of 11 years a Jet – started 13 of 54 games a Jet – 5 years a saint – started all games year 3-5 – 5th year a Pro Bowler – started EVERY GAME (32/32) including last week in his 2 years as a 49er starter – oops AGAIN!

    2003: a typical early pick BUST – bad draft
    1st round - #4 – Dewayne Robertson – DT – 5 of 6 years a Jet – started 75 of 77 games – 14.5 sacks (he was supposed to be the next Warren Sapp – instead, he was just a Sap)
    2nd round - #53 – Victor Hobson – LB – 5 of 6 years a Jet – became fulltime started after game 4 of second year – 11 sacks, 3 INTs, 2 FF, 5 FR
    - the only player with a longer career than Robertson and 6th rounder QB Brooks Bollinger (2008) was - 3rd round B.J Askew – career Back-up made it to 2009

    2004:
    1st round - #12 – Jonathan Vilma – MLB – 4 of 9 year career and counting – a Jet – strated 53 of 53 games – 1-time Pro Bowler in second year, 2005, - GIVEN TO THE SAINTS in 2008 – 2 more Pro Bowls – 2009 & 2010
    4th round - #108 – Jerricho Cotchery – WR – 7 of 9 year, and counting, a Jet – started 65 of 103 games, 358 receptions, 4514 yards, 18 TDs
    5th round - #143 – Erik Coleman – Safety (could use a few of these) – 4 of 9 year and counting aq Jet – started 53 0f 68 games – 2 sacks, 7 INTs – weal, but still playing, including starting 7 games for Lions this year.

    2005: worst trade EVER of 1st round draft pick – #28 to Raiders for Doug Jolley, TE – who never started a game for the Jets, and they could have drafted Heath Miller @ #28 – argghh! The rest of this draft year doesn’t get much better – so much for the Terry Bradway years
    2nd round - #47 – Mike Nugent – K – played 4 of still going career as a Jet – was actually pretty good going 75/92 FG @ 81.5% - missed his 4th year with injury
    2nd round - #57 – Justin Miller – high price to pay for a KR – even if he was a Pro Bowl KR in 2008 – 3 of 4 year career as a Jet – played VERY SPARINGLY as a DB – 0 INT, 8 PD
    3rd round - #88 – Sione Po’uha (was Pouha until this year) – NT a little DT – 7 years a Jet - started 55 of 106, 54 of those in the last 4 years
    4th round - #123 – Kerry Rhodes – Safety – 5 of 8 years and counting a Jet – started 78 of 80 games with 9 sacks, 15 INTs, 48 PD, 6 FF, 5 FR – ZERO Pro Bowls (for everyone that thinks he’s so great) – 2 of his 8 INTs in 3 years a Cardinal were against Sanchez this year
    6th round - #198 – Joel Dressen – TE -1 year of current 7 year career a Jet (and we traded our 1st rounder for Doug Jolley – B-U-S-T!!!!!!!!!!!!) – zero starts as a Jet – 5 receptions – 5 years with Texans, 105 receptions, 12.6 Y/R, 13 TDs – this year with Broncos started 15 of 16 games – 41 receptions – 5 TDs

    2006: Aberration! But look where the true star is - #29
    1st round - #4 – D’Brickashaw Ferguson – LT – has started every game as a Jet – 3-time Pro bowler
    1st round – #29 – Nick Mangold – C – started every game as a Jet – 4-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All Pro
    4 other draftees are still in the league as of this year – 2nd round QB Kellen “bust” Clemens – 3rd round Safety Eric “LAME” Smith; 4th round “wildcat” Brad Smith – 4th round (higher) “wildcat” – 2-time Pro Bowl KR and 1-time All Pro in 3rd of 4 years with Jets, and was Pro Bowl KR this year with Seahawks, although had 3 KR TDs his 1st year (2010) with Seahawks.

    2007: 1 great player – not top 10, and 1 good player in 2nd round
    1st round - #14 (cost multiple picks to move up from 17)– Darrelle Revis – CB – 6th year with Jets – 4-time Pro Bowler – 3-time All Pro
    2nd round - #47 (cost picks to move back into 2nd round) – David Harris – ILB – started 84 of 91 games – should’ve made 2 pro bowls in his 3rd and 4th years – 6th year with Jets – 22.5 sacks, 6 INTs, 5 FF, 4 FR
    the other 2 players taken – 6th round Tackle, Jacob Bender – busy, and 7th round WR, Chansi Stuckey played 19 games in 1.4 years with Jets – started 5 of 19 games – had 43 receptions in that time – 4 TDs – then 2.6 years with Browns, and last year with Cardinals with 4 receptions

    2008: typical top 10 pick!
    1st round - #6 – Vernon Ghoston – position? – started 5 games in 3 years with Jets – out of league after 2010 – monumental bust – but fairly typical
    1st round - #30 – Dustin keller – TE – 5 years a Jet – FA next year so who know – after career high in receptions last year with 65, he had a career low this year starting 5 of 8 available games with 28 receptions
    4th round - #113 – Dwight Lowery – CB/Safety – 3 out of 5 years, and counting, a Jet – started 18 of 43 games, 2 sacks, 7 INTs – led league with INT TDs in 2010 with 2 (his last year a Jet) – last 2 years as a Safety with Jaguars, started 20 of 22 games 1 sack, 3 INTs
    7th round - #211 – Nate Garner – OT – 3 years, and counting, with Dolphins, started 13 of 48 games – 4 this year.

    2009: another typical top 10 Jet pick
    1st round - #5 (traded just 2 draft picks and 4 defensive players that REX didn’t want – BUT STILL – Mark Sanchez – QB – Fumble, bumble master BUST!
    3rd round - #65 (cost 3 draft picks plus our 3rd round) – Shonn Greene – RB – started 30 of 61 games, including 28 of last 32 – 2 consecutive 1000 yards seasons (barely) but still has a career avg of 4.2 Y/A, despite only managing 3.9 Y/A this year – FA – GONE???
    6th round - #193 – Matt Slauson – LG – started all 48 games in 3 year career as a Jet – 1 FR for 1 yard TD – he is a FA this year – maybe the most productive pick of 2009??

    2010: oh man, another REX/(MrT) draft managing 4 players
    1st round - #29 – Kyle Wilson – CB – started 27 of 48 games – has a grand total of 3 INTs and 15 PD – thank goodness REX didn’t pick him with a top 10 pick
    2nd round - #61 – Vlad Ducasse – G? – started 1 game in his career – if he’s a starter in 2013, lookout for another BAD O-line performance
    4th round - #112 – Joe McKnight – RD/KR – started 1 game as RB – 1-time Pro Bowler as KR in 2011 – as RB – 112 carries for 502 yards with 4.5 Y/A; only 17 receptions in his career
    5th round - #139 – John Conner “the terminator” – cut the 2nd game this year – started 8 games in 2011.

    2011: No early picks – GREAT!
    1st round - #30 – Muhammad Wilkerson – DE/DT – started 31 of 32 games – 6 sacks, 6 PDs, 4FF, 1 FR for TD this year
    3rd round - #94 – Kenrick “should’ve had a d in 1st name) Ellis – DT/NT – started 4 game in his 2 year career, 1 FF, 16 career tackles, solo – 10 assists
    4rth round - #126 – Bilal Powell – RB – started 2 ganes, 123 carries – 458 yards, 3.7 Y/A (although almost 4 Y/A this year), 4 TDs, only 18 receptions
    5th round - #153 – Jeremy Kerley – WR/Slot - started 8 of 30 games – led Jets with 56 receptions this year (2 TDs), 85 career (3 TDs)
    7th round - #208 – Greg McElroy – started 1 of 2 games active in 2 years, 19/31, 61.3%, 214 yards, 1 TD/1 INT – 79.2 rating (118 from St. Louis game, 63 from his only start, sacked 11 times – almost could’ve has an NFL record) – I love you guys, but he is not a starting QB, I don’t think Sanchez has shown anything this year that says he is either.

    2012: opposed to what some idiots say about only 3 players on the team from this draft; 7 of 8 are in the NFL – 6 of them on our Jets! Are they any good? Too soon to tell
    1st round - #16 (phew not top 10) – Quinton Coples – DE/DT – started 2 games out of 16, but saw limited action in every game – led team in Sacks with 5.5 – although this is nothing compared to pass rushers selected after him this year!
    2nd round - #43 – Stephen Hill – WR – started 8 of 11 available games – 21 receptions, 3 TDs, multiple mistakes, and couldn’t count on him, BUT I still think he can be a great one (KOW)
    3rd round - #77 – Demario Davis – LB – started 3 games out of 16, 0 sacks, 0 INT, 22 solo tackles, 4 assists, 1 FR
    6th round - #187 – Josh Bush – Safety
    6th round - #202 – Terrance Ganaway – RB – active for 34 games with Rams
    7th round - #242 – Antonio Allen – Safety/STs – started 1 game of 7 active; 1 sack, 1 FR
    7th round - #244 – Josh Bush – WR – active for 2 games, 1 reception for 13 yards

    This is the Draft History of the NY Jets – abbreviated because I stopped at the higher round that was about as good, or better than the Jets 1st pick, but majority of the years show that our lowest draft pick was not as good as the players taken later. SO WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR SO MANY JETS FANS, MANY WANTED TO LOSE GAMES AFTER THE 9TH GAME OF THE SEAON – WHEN IT IS SO CLEAR THAT IT JUST DOESN”T MATTER, OR HAS RARELY MATTERED FOR OUR JETS where they pick in the 1st round, or even if their 1st pick was better than subsequent picks.

    GO JETS!!!

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    I'm not quoting all of that. Our top 10 picks haven't always panned out because we can't draft for ****. We've missed on top 5 talent in a players respective position several times. We have had opportunities to get those players but chose others instead in bonehead fashion. Why is it that every draft year they show a 5 minute clip of our drafting blunders since the beginning of time? It's because we can't evaluate players for dick. I hope we find a personnel GM and one who can help bring in some better scouts because it's getting ridiculous with these ****ing project players. We need starters or at the very least players who will be ready to play within a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-SJETS3x View Post
    @jetsfansince67

    I'm not quoting all of that. Our top 10 picks haven't always panned out because we can't draft for ****. We've missed on top 5 talent in a players respective position several times. We have had opportunities to get those players but chose others instead in bonehead fashion. Why is it that every draft year they show a 5 minute clip of our drafting blunders since the beginning of time? It's because we can't evaluate players for dick. I hope we find a personnel GM and one who can help bring in some better scouts because it's getting ridiculous with these ****ing project players. We need starters or at the very least players who will be ready to play within a year.
    This! Take an impact player who can come in right away and PRODUCE!!

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    Hey 67, they moved up to draft Revis and selected Mangold and Harris. In the Gholston draft, had the team lost in OT or even tied KC on that last game, we would've likely been assured of McFadden or Matt Ryan. Instead we had no one else there for our needs unless it were a mighty reach. And I was NOT for Gholston - I screamed until I was hoarse with anger on that one. Sometimes it takes being in the right position to get the right fit for a team's need.

    Anyway, it's all water under the bridge as we currently sit at #9 - that's the fact at this moment. We can't go back and win that Buffalo game. It's time to focus on what's ahead not history. And as I see it, there are only four prospects they will be considering:

    Jarvis James (Mild form of Spenosis)
    Damontre Moore (80 tackles from the DE position to go along with his sacks)
    Bjoern Werner (A real football player with a motor - like a Ryan Kerrigan)
    Dion Jordan (Needs to add a few pounds but is quick and relentless)

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    Tyler Wilson is growing on me. I don't know if at 9...Of course you don't *want* to do it at 9...but I think someone is going to get a good QB in Wilson.

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    I don't understand the QB talk. Does anyone think this team is going to wait on another rookie QB? This team is built to win now. Rex can't wait. Maybe the new OC can but if its Norv, I don't think he wants to wait either as this is likely his last gig. And our core will be nearing their shelf life - Mangold, Revis, Harris, Cromartie, DBrick. You guys are suggesting drafting a new franchise QB and waiting for him to develop. Think about what you want and ask yourself does this truly align with what is best for the team at this time.

    I can't imagine anything other than a veteran QB for this team. And to think of using a 2nd or 3rd rounder on one especially in this class is a throw-away pick IMO. The team has bigger needs.

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    All you have to say is after 5 years with the Jets Revis is probably already the best Jet of all time or at minimum top 5. That shows you a team that has never had any top line star players. We just suck at drafting or are unlucky, just the way it is. Hopefully before I go we will get our Brady/montana/manning etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    If you expect him to go in the 3rd, then you're saying that's where you value him.

    That's kind of like me saying that I'd take Gio Bernard in the 3rd, even though I expect him to be a late 1st or early 2nd round draft pick.
    And no, I would not take Gio Bernard in the 1st, but if he's on the board in the 2nd (and the Jets have a QB by then) then yes he's worth it.

    So would you take Landry Jones in 3rd and use one of your top picks on him?
    that's completely illogical. i anticipate he will go in the 3rd because that's where i believe other teams (perhaps even our own, who knows...) value him. i, on the other hand, value him starting in the 4th. the two are not mutually bound. my valuation can depart from whatever the consensus may be.

    but to answer your question at the end, it depends. if it's our high #3, then no. if we were to make a move where we traded down to the end of the 3rd, then probably. even though it's slightly ahead of where i'd value him, it's close enough to warrant taking a flyer on a position we could be losing anywhere from 1 to all 3 incumbents.
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    I actually believe that this might be the first year in lord knows how long that there is not one QB IMO worth being drafted in round 1. If I am Kansas City, I take the BAP in round 1 and then draft a QB at the top of round 2.
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    I actually believe that this might be the first year in lord knows how long that there is not one QB IMO worth being drafted in round 1. If I am Kansas City, I take the BAP in round 1 and then draft a QB at the top of round 2.
    i think a lot of teams picking early will have that mentality... including us
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    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe View Post
    i think a lot of teams picking early will have that mentality... including us
    Gimme a break, BJ. You think the bottom feeders have the luxury to sit back and select the best player on their board irregardless of the need? Poppycock!

    This is an antiquated, fictitious term that applies to nearly no team with the advent of FA, salary cap limits and roster maximums set at 53. I'm sure you can provide a handful of examples to state your case but by and large, this doesn't apply....especially in the 1st round and especially with the bad teams. They essentially need a HR and see the results in year 1 or 2 or heads will roll.

    Most GM's and coaches do not have the luxury to sit back and wait for their BPA's to fit in to their scheme. This is actually seen more in the later rounds but even there, teams as bad as KC and Jax as you mention have a pressing need to plug a later round selection into their lineup.

    BPA is a sellout term for posters and those in the business who tend not to know who the hell their team should get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John X Doe View Post
    Gimme a break, BJ. You think the bottom feeders have the luxury to sit back and select the best player on their board irregardless of the need? Poppycock!

    This is an antiquated, fictitious term that applies to nearly no team with the advent of FA, salary cap limits and roster maximums set at 53. I'm sure you can provide a handful of examples to state your case but by and large, this doesn't apply....especially in the 1st round and especially with the bad teams. They essentially need a HR and see the results in year 1 or 2 or heads will roll.

    Most GM's and coaches do not have the luxury to sit back and wait for their BPA's to fit in to their scheme. This is actually seen more in the later rounds but even there, teams as bad as KC and Jax as you mention have a pressing need to plug a later round selection into their lineup.

    BPA is a sellout term for posters and those in the business who tend not to know who the hell their team should get.
    I won't agree with you there. I could make the argument that with a team like Kansas City and Jacksonville, they could draft just about ANYTHING and it is going to "fill a need."

    Even with our team, let's be realistic, about the only places on our team right now that you could say we WON'T spend a 1st round pick on would be center, left tackle, 3-4 defensive end, kicker, punter, and cornerback. QB is a need; RB is a need; another WR is a need; TE is a need; RT, LG, RG is a need; NT I think is a need, especially if Pouha is released due to the cap; 3-4 OLB is a need; ILB to go next to Harris is a possible need; Safety is a need. Quite frankly, the Jets could draft G Chance Warmack at #9 and guess what, it fills a need and he would start from day 1.
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