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    Quote Originally Posted by tunnicliffderek View Post
    just bc i wanted Noel late you think i like fast midgets i dont understand you at all. i like guys that play big but you dont have many in this draft most everyone has small size or plays small in this draft. the only ones that come to mind that play big are Ezekiel Ansah, Jarvis Jones, Tyrann Mathieu, Justin Hunter, Eric Reid, Chase Thomas, John Simon, William Gholston, DJ Swearinger, Michael Williams, Levine Toilolo, Justice Cunningham, and Joseph Fauria. did i miss anyone?

    as for SoxDolphan their are a 2 receivers at 12 that are major game changers at the next level their 1st season. Justin Hunter game changer 1st season. Tavon Austin game changer first season. Keenan Allen also would be solid at 12 but he isnt a game changer type but a solid all around move the chains and keep drives moving type that does create mismatches and can actually catch tds. Justin Hunter is a Jones/Green type. Milliner isnt worth more than Allen. his 1st yr will be spent learning to backpedal just like the last Alabama CB that went high. Mathieu will have the biggest impact of any CB yr one if he stays out of trouble. i understand the love for DE's because alot of them will make an impact yr 1 but its not a high need and the WR's listed and the G would make a bigger impact.
    I'm not sure which post of mine you are responding to...

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    No one in this draft are stand in #1 guys who can do it all at WR. Most of them are one trick ponies in that they are either track guys or possession guys. No one has that rare ability being able to do both, thats why there really isn't any worth 12th overall.

    Now guys in the 2-3 even into the 4th can be nice value, and some could even become that #1 guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas_Phin1 View Post
    To say that he's not a "pass rush specialist" is simply to say that it's not ALL that he can do. If you watch his highlights, you'll see that he's VERY capable of rushing the passer. But he can also stop the run, strip the ball, set the edge, collapse pockets, and knock down passes. Do you really think a guy that has slightly more straight-line speed but sucks at the rest of those aspects is far more valuable than Okafor? If all we need is a guy to come in on 3rd down and run fast, then there are those all over the draft and there's no reason to spend a high pick on one. Personally, I think we need a player that can do it all if we are going to take them at 12. A speedster that just gets stood up on contact 9 out of 10 times is not going to make this team better IMO. Again, if he is being considered the "Terrell Suggs of this draft class", then honestly, we could do worse.



    I get that, but there's one thing that we have to consider. We had a prime example of this in Ginn. All the speed in the World and no ability to actually make the catch. What good did it to him or us? Virtually none. You don't have to have 4.4 speed to stretch the field. Guys like Ginn may tire out defenders due to having to run down 40 yards a play, but sadly they get twice as tired walking back to the line of scrimmage because the ball hit the turf. The key is to actually get down the field and CATCH the ball. And I believe that Bailey's ability to adjust, create just enough separation, and snatch the ball out of the air, that is exactly why I think he's virtually perfect for that role. If you watch the videos, you can see how easily he catches balls out in front of him, over his head, and even behind him in traffic. It's extraordinary IMO.

    One more thing to consider. Let's compare the expected 40 times of the group that you mentioned.

    Bailey 4.45 to 4.48
    Wheaton 4.40 to 4.45
    Hopkins 4.52 to 4.56
    Patterson 4.44 to 4.46

    I took the high and the low estimate from several sites that I go to. You can see that not only are a few of the guys not faster than Bailey, but they are actually slower. Still though, someone like Hopkins may not have the foot speed, but he shows that his ability to be aggressive and get to the ball, can overcome his "lack of speed". And that's the exact same argument I'm making for Bailey. The only true "speedster" up there is Wheaton, but I'm still not sold on anyone that is truly successful in the PAC12...secondaries that give up 50 points a game only tend to skew the stat line and make potentially "average" players look like stars. I'm not saying that this is the case with Wheaton, but I just don't know if he's truly special outside of his foot speed. Just my opinion of course.
    Didn't realize Bailey was that fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoxDolphan26 View Post
    Alright, I'm watching the East-West Shrine game and I want us to draft Army QB Trent Steelman. If we give him some time to develop as a receiver, the guy will be another Welker in the slot. He's got all the intangibles you could ever want in a player, and it looks like he has the ability. Take him in the 7th or in the 6th(if we get a compensatory pick).

    Also, Colin Klein cannot throw a pass from the pocket to save his life.






    Klein looked terrible outside of running. Steelman looked bigger and stronger than Welker but not as quick. I did love his versatility though. Caleb Sturgis looked like he had a pretty big leg and Devin Taylor out of South Carolina had a big game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrench View Post
    No one in this draft are stand in #1 guys who can do it all at WR. Most of them are one trick ponies in that they are either track guys or possession guys. No one has that rare ability being able to do both, thats why there really isn't any worth 12th overall.

    Now guys in the 2-3 even into the 4th can be nice value, and some could even become that #1 guy.
    this is where you are wrong because Hunter can do both and Wheaton can do both.
    Take Notes Rook

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    sorry it was Vegas Phins comment i was responding to my bad. also like to add that Xavier Rhodes would probably make the most impact at CB outside of Mathieu out the gate
    Take Notes Rook

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiBoy77 View Post
    Didn't realize Bailey was that fast!
    One of the main reasons I want him. He's got the speed to be a threat like Wallace, but he's also got the hands and toughness to do other things than just be fast. He's what we wanted in Gates. He is going to be the next Steve Smith.

    mfw the Miami Dolphins

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    Combine speed doesn't mean jack ****, it's about play speed. Every year fans and scouts go crazy over the combine, and speed time. And every draft teams jump the gun based on some of those numbers and performances.

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    Yep, combine speed doesn't mean crap. But for some reason, you guys keep falling in love with the 40 yard dash every year(especially Vegas).

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    Josh Norris told me ansah was born 5/29/89 for everyone wondering.

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    So he is younger than normal for a 5th year senior

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    I'm not falling in love with his 40 speed. I haven't even bothered to look at it til yesterday. Bailey's got speed on and off the field. That's obvious for anyone who watches him.

    mfw the Miami Dolphins

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    Landry Jones making the rounds. Now speaking with #Dolphins - Expect Jones to have a big week of practice - great passer vs vanilla defense

    Hmm ok then

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    Oregon RB Kenjon Barner meeting w/ #Dolphins lockerz.com/s/278292344
    Now that makes more sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by godolphins View Post
    Yep, combine speed doesn't mean crap. But for some reason, you guys keep falling in love with the 40 yard dash every year(especially Vegas).
    Shut up, I was making a point using 40 times in that last post. 40 times do mean something, but they are only a small piece of the puzzle (they don't fully describe a player's ability). 40 times alone "don't mean jack squat".
    Feeling much better after that Raider beat down.

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