Who loses/gains the most if advanced stats come 20 years earlier?

[Jamiecballer]

Which players would have been remembered differently had advanced stats gained widespread popularity in the early 90's? how about 80's?

who gains? who loses?

[Jamiecballer]

how about Joe Carter? is he a candidate? here is a guy who finished on the MVP ballot 8 times with a career OBP of .306

[Twitchy]

Jack Morris would look a lot worse.

[ciaban]

When asked about Mike Trout, Rickey Henderson quipped that "he played in the wrong era, and he would be much more loved today" and Rickey is right.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Jack Morris would look a lot worse.

Morris came to mind for me as well. Don Mattingly would look worse too.

A guy who would look better than most would think is John Olerud. I just looked at the stats. Pretty impressive. .398 career OBP.

[Jamiecballer]

Jack Morris would look a lot worse.

who would be a comparable to Jack Morris today?

[Jamiecballer]

does Manny Lee ever crack 1000 ML at-bats if he plays in the mid 2000's?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl.../leema02.shtml

[Twitchy]

who would be a comparable to Jack Morris today?

By ERA+ you could say Jamie Moyer (105 for Morris vs 104 for Moyer) Moyer also had a higher win total, believe it or not.

By ERA you're looking at James Shields (3.89) or Max Scherzer (3.92) compared to Morris (3.90).

Morris was a solid, above average pitcher, but certainly not this unstoppable force who willed his team to victory and pitched to the score when he gave up a ton of runs.

[bagwell368]

how about Joe Carter? is he a candidate? here is a guy who finished on the MVP ballot 8 times with a career OBP of .306

Classic choice. "Joe Carter is a great RBI man."

Jim Rice, Nolan Ryan, Andre Dawson and a host of others would look worse.

Joe Morgan, Ricky H., Jeff Bagwell, Tim Raines, Larry Walker, Alan Trammell, Sweet Lou, Reggie Smith, Bobby Bonds, Jim Wynn, and a pile more would look better.

[Jamiecballer]

Classic choice. "Joe Carter is a great RBI man."

Jim Rice, Nolan Ryan, Andre Dawson and a host of others would look worse.

Joe Morgan, Ricky H., Jeff Bagwell, Tim Raines, Larry Walker, Alan Trammell, Sweet Lou, Reggie Smith, Bobby Bonds, Jim Wynn, and a pile more would look better.

so it's safe to say the guy who hit after Joe was probably always underrated haha.

[Jamiecballer]

Classic choice. "Joe Carter is a great RBI man."

Jim Rice, Nolan Ryan, Andre Dawson and a host of others would look worse.

Joe Morgan, Ricky H., Jeff Bagwell, Tim Raines, Larry Walker, Alan Trammell, Sweet Lou, Reggie Smith, Bobby Bonds, Jim Wynn, and a pile more would look better.

why Nolan Ryan? his whip looks like it's always pretty solid. i would have thought because of the records (W-L) that he actually would be looked upon even more favorably now?

[Jeffy25]

Morris came to mind for me as well. Don Mattingly would look worse too.

A guy who would look better than most would think is John Olerud. I just looked at the stats. Pretty impressive. .398 career OBP.

Yup

[Jeffy25]

why Nolan Ryan? his whip looks like it's always pretty solid. i would have thought because of the records (W-L) that he actually would be looked upon even more favorably now?

Insane walk rates throughout his career.

[Jamiecballer]

Insane walk rates throughout his career.

you don't think that would be neutralized somewhat by the de-emphasis on pitcher wins?

[JermanJaysFan]

Insane walk rates throughout his career.

My cousin named his son after Nolan Ryan. I told him he'd learn to walk quickly.