Can We Count On Familia, Mejia, Edgin and Carson?

[Marty Mcfly]

Yeah, I think what really messed him up was him getting the call in 2010 and putting him in the pen.

He should've been starting in the minors every year until he was ready.

I still think he and Familia could potentially be two good pitchers to come out of the pen for us if they can find their control.

Yeah, they've essentially thrown Meija onto the bonfire@ 20, because they would not even sign a reliever or two.

At least the Mets actually have talented pitchers now, whether they amount to a hill of beans is another thing. If you have little control you will not last long in the BP.

[MetsFanatic19]

I think a package with Mejia and/or Familia could net the Mets a solid player to help now and in the future. I wouldn't be upset at all to see one of them go.

[Dugmet]

Of course they all won't make it...injuries, lack of development, trades, etc. always occur...my point is that it's nice to have a lot of arms to choose from...you figure we have four of them established and if half of the other eight make it that's 8 pitchers as a core of the staff within the next two or three years. In the '80s we had Gooden, Aguilera, McDowell, Myers and Sisk make it while West joined Aguilera and Tapani and Whitehurst in the Viola trade, Schiraldi was used to get Ojeda, Allen and Ownbey got us Keith, Darling was acquired with [I]Terrell[/I] for Mazzilli [and Terrelll swapped in a steal for HoJo], we stole El Sid for a backup infielder and Cone for Ed Hearn, Youmans was supposed to be a star but was in the Carter trade, and a bunch of other kid pitchers never made it. But having all of those talented young arms is the right place to start building a winner. These 10 homegrown pitchers plus four acquisitions helped make us champions....look back in a few years to see how the current 12 turn out.

Koosman for Orosco!

As we are already relying on a very young Matt Harvey and two pitchers coming off major injuries (Santana and Gee), I think it would be smart to sign a veteran. Marcaum is underrated, I consider him a solid #3 starter when healthy...meaning he is probably way out of our price range. Chris Young seems more likely...

Yep.

[SILVER SEAVER]

Of course they all won't make it...injuries, lack of development, trades, etc. always occur...my point is that it's nice to have a lot of arms to choose from...you figure we have four of them established and if half of the other eight make it that's 8 pitchers as a core of the staff within the next two or three years. In the '80s we had Gooden, Aguilera, McDowell, Myers and Sisk make it while West joined Aguilera and Tapani and Whitehurst in the Viola trade, Schiraldi was used to get Ojeda, Allen and Ownbey got us Keith, Darling was acquired with [I]Terrell[/I] for Mazzilli [and Terrelll swapped in a steal for HoJo], we stole El Sid for a backup infielder and Cone for Ed Hearn, Youmans was supposed to be a star but was in the Carter trade, and a bunch of other kid pitchers never made it. But having all of those talented young arms is the right place to start building a winner. These 10 homegrown pitchers plus four acquisitions helped make us champions....look back in a few years to see how the current 12 turn out.

Schiraldi helped the Mets in '86 in more ways than just being the player to come over in the Ojeda trade. The Hernandez, Carter and Piazza trades get all the attention but one of the most important trades in franchise history that gets forgotten is the one that sent Schiraldi to Boston for Ojeda. No Ojeda and we're looking at a 43 year drought in between championships.

[YoungStuna28]

I'll take CY back with Dickey gone TBH.

[MetsFanatic19]

How much is he assumes to get? 2-3 million?

I would do that. It's always good to have more pitching, especially veterans.

[Claymation]

We are going to have to count on them.

[rdg515]

Schiraldi helped the Mets in '86 in more ways than just being the player to come over in the Ojeda trade. The Hernandez, Carter and Piazza trades get all the attention but one of the most important trades in franchise history that gets forgotten is the one that sent Schiraldi to Boston for Ojeda. No Ojeda and we're looking at a 43 year drought in between championships.

Schiraldi also blew a lead in the world series so he helped us again...btw koosman for orosco was made in 1979 so I didn't count it. The sad part is how little we got when we traded or let go of darling fernandez ojeda viola and cone in the years that followed....jeff kent is all I can think of and we gave him away for garbage...its not just how you build a team but how you dismantle it that determines how long the rebuilding takes.

[Claymation]

Schiraldi also blew a lead in the world series so he helped us again...btw koosman for orosco was made in 1979 so I didn't count it. The sad part is how little we got when we traded or let go of darling fernandez ojeda viola and cone in the years that followed....jeff kent is all I can think of and we gave him away for garbage...its not just how you build a team but how you dismantle it that determines how long the rebuilding takes.

We didn't get anything for Piazza.

[Claymation]

At least we got Tim Burke from the Expos.

[dunbummin]

For heaven's sake dun, and with all due respect as a Brooklyn Dodgers fan, how can you have fun watching and spending money on the 2013 team that may win perhaps 69-72 games?

The essential formula for pitchers is that one of three minor league pitchers make it to the bigs. Reaching the majors does not ensure success either.

Perhaps our BP will look like a young accomplished Braves/Nationals squad or then again, we may look like recent versions. I wonder where Blaine Boyer, D.J. Carrasco, Miguel Batista, Pat Misch, Ryoyo Igarashi, etc. are?

Haven't you been through enough losing seasons since '62. You, I and a fortunate few on this forum have experienced '69 &'86. Plus, it's going on 27 years without a WS Championship and counting.

I hope we're both healthy and alive when they win the next flag. Let's just hope it's not another 27 years or we might be in an uncompromising position of sorts. Watching the game in a coffin may not be the most comfortable place......

Paulie, are you forgetting that the Official Borough Motto of Brooklyn was "Wait 'til next year"? Yes, the Dodger teams of my youth, from '47 to '57, were great teams, and fun to watch. But more often than not, in the final analysis, they resulted in heartbreak. They taught me that the game can still be a lot of fun, whether you win or lose. (Naturally, I'd much rather win.) Still, I'm an optimist. Last year we were in contention until the break. Maybe this year we can go deeper. But whatever we do, I'll enjoy it.

I do have fun watching young players develop. Using your stat of 1 in 3 making it, and maybe a very few of them could become stars, I look at what we have down on the farm and I am very encouraged. Pitchers in waiting, like Wheeler, Syndergaard, Camarena, Tapia, Montero, DeGrom, Pill, Varrett, Fulmer, Mateo, Robles, Lara, Cessa, Ynoa, Matz, have star potential, even if only a few of them develop into major league starters. Isn't it going to be fun to watch their progress? And that's not even mentioning some of the stellar bull pen arms we have down there either.

If Santana gets off to a strong start, if Francisco pitches decently out of the pen, I will eagerly await to see what Sandy does with them at the deadline. I'm hoping that he can pull off some trades that add one or two more elite prospects to the mix.

I usually go to 4 or 5 games a season with my whole family, and we always have a great time. This year I am also planning to go to 4 or 5 ST games in March. Win or lose, I'm going to have me some fun.

I'll raise my glass with you, in the hope that we are both healthy and alive when they win their next flag. I don't think we'll have to wait 27 years. Whenever it is, however, I'll be in heaven, figuratively, not literally, hopefully, when they do. I just hope I have an unobstructed view.

[YoungStuna28]

'47? Damn you are old lol

[alexandre302]

By age 21, Koufax, Ryan, Johnson, Gia gonzalez, McDowell, Guidry had terrible control. The sky is falling give up 21 yo pitchers because their control will never, ever improve.

[dunbummin]

'47? Damn you are old lol

I prefer to say I've experienced a great deal and am much the wiser for it. LMAO

And BTW, the Koufax reference above is right on. He was exasperatingly wild at 21, which was the last year the Dodgers were in Brooklyn. If he had the benefit of minor league experience he might have straightened out earlier, but the rules required him to be thrown to the wolves upon signing his bonus deal.

[rdg515]

To those pessimists out there here were the Mets top 20 prospects tens years ago today:

1. Reyes
Kazmir
Heilman
Wright
Huber
Peterson---used in PIT trade
Strange
Cerda
Keppel
Brazell
Seibel
Musser
Phillips
Griffiths
Mattox
Redman
Duncan
Bell---pretty good run a as a closer
Pagan
20. TWalker

By my count 11 made it to the majors for more than a cup of coffee of which four became stars [Reyes, Wright, Kazmir, Bell], two others became regulars [Pagan, TWalker] and the others were platoon guys/fringe relievers. If our top 20 are the following I figure six or seven of the top 10 will make it as regulars, a few will become stars, and two or three of the second 10 will make it:

1. Wheeler
2. D'Arnaud
3. Syndergaard
4. Familia
5. WFlores
6. Nimmo
7. Cecchini
8. Puello
9. Havens
10. Fullmer
11. Montero
12. Tapia
13. Lagares
14. den Dekker
15. Mazzoni
16. Tovar
17. Plawecki
18. Mateo
19. Urbina
20. Vaughn

to which I would add Edgin and Carson if they still qualify as rookies, and another ten with potential: Reynolds, ARodriguez, Gorski, Goeddel, AMorris, Leathersich, Muno...Matz, Lutz, Dotson have to stay healthy first.