“It’s about winning,” Stoudemire said. “You win, you’re going to get on national TV. Simple. In Phoenix, we won — Western Conference finals three, four years, playoffs every year. We won. If you don’t win, nobody really wants to see you.”
Moving on to the next thought: they are the same examples I've been giving since I started making threads about the importance of 6th men when I started posting here. Most people then, fewer now, thought starting was the only important thing.
I'm not surprised that people don't appreciate the importance of a 6th man. I was just saying that two recent championship teams -- the Mavericks and the Spurs -- owe part of their success to the effective strategic use of a 6th man. It's an invaluable part of any successful team.
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Kyle Lowry was also mentioned. Wow! If that is the case then this would be a major move then, I suspect a multi player trade.
Lets say that this rumor does have legs then maybe a.....
Millsap/Mo Williams/Marvin Williams
is a possibility.
Calderon may just have assured himself a MLE after this season if he wants to stay.
I hope the rumor of Lowry going is not true but business is business so they say.
Raptors could easily let Jose expire, amnesty Bargnani & make an offer to Millsap, if he were a target, while retaining Lowry.
With Millsap/Willaims set to expire, if Millsap were to walk, Raptors would be giving up Lowry for Marvin in order to dump salary, recently spent.
I would offer Bargs to Bobcats for their pick. I know a lot of people here would say it's not fair value, but take into account that Jordan has made some retarded trades in the past. I wouldn't put it past him to make a trade like this. We can get them to add Diop to match up the value, or maybe we could even ask for a protected pick (ex: 1-3 this year, 1-2 next year) Kind of what we did when we traded for Lowry.
Buddy think about it from Bobcats perspective. They already have a stretch big in Mullens, why would they want a redundant player in Bargnani.
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If we are dumping Bargs for nothing because we are winning without him, fine by me. Why? Because we are WINNING! That is the whole point isn't it? The point isn't to maximize value with assets you have decided you don't want on your team.
Don't get me wrong you obviously bring him off the bench. 6th man role? If he earns it. But at this point I want to keep winning and you don't mess with the rotations when that is happening to accomodate a player who has no future with this team.
As for what we get back for him. I like the Chandler option. Probably also our best bet here. Going after another player who for whatever reason isn't getting minutes. We all wanted to go after Chandler last season.
I like a wing rotation of Derozan/Ross/Anderson/Chandler. If we could also land Mozgov that would be awesome. He isn't great but he is another C allowing Amir to play the 4 more often.
Unloading Fields would be awesome as well mostly because of his salary. I also feel Kleiza becomes more valuable without Bargnani on the team. Simply because I feel like Kleiza actually does what Bargnani should do. Probably less effectively than what Bargs could achieve with effort.
First and foremost though we need to realize that Bargs has virtually no value and I don't think he can change the general opinion with a good 15 game stretch. Someone is only going to acquire Bargs because they have a plan/place for him on their team. No one is building around this guy he is just an interesting shaped piece of the puzzle.
Lin is not a valid comparison because his 15 game stretch of brilliance. A level of brilliance I would argue Bargnani has never demonstrated in all his time in the NBA. With his underwhelming history working against him I think the only way he increases his value is by helping us make the playoffs. Unfortunately I don't see him doing that in any sort of spectacular fashion.
I honestly believe he will be amnestied in the off season and I am fine with that if we continue to compete as we have all season.
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@OnceUponATwime Not true that AB's a "lock" to be traded. Won't be given away. Lock team wants to deal him, but needs a return
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@OnceUponATwime Can't see Lowry being traded, though some in organization wouldn't be opposed to it
2nd round pick