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View Poll Results: Who wins offensive and defensive?

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  • Andrew Luck

    27 20.61%
  • Robert Griffin III

    64 48.85%
  • Russell Wilson

    36 27.48%
  • Bobby Wagner

    15 11.45%
  • Luke Kuechly

    27 20.61%
  • Harrison Smith

    10 7.63%
  • Casey Heyward

    13 9.92%
  • Lavonte David

    4 3.05%
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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    OROY voting has already been submitted.
    People don't seem to understand this simple concept.
    So Anna, what do you think about the notion that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGiantLeap View Post
    This game should answer any questions. Andrew Luck has carried a team of scrubs to the playoffs.

    Besides Luck and Wayne, no one has had a good game on this Colts team. I can't even believe the number of drops, bad routes, and slips and falls I've seen today. In addition, the pass protection has been non-existent, as the Ravens pass rush has been having at Luck for most of the game.

    I'm not saying that all of Luck's turnovers weren't his fault, but today has shown me a lot about what he has to work with on a week to week basis. I hope the award is given to the man who truly deserves it. Andrew luck for OROY.
    LOL. Luck hit 3 Ravens in the numbers and fumbled today. More of the same from the NFL's leader in turnovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiants5518 View Post
    People don't seem to understand this simple concept.
    Probably because it's just an assumption. The award is handed out the day before the SB, nowhere anywhere does it say when voting ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    Probably because it's just an assumption. The award is handed out the day before the SB, nowhere anywhere does it say when voting ends.
    John Clayton tweeted this morning that voting ended.

    https://twitter.com/ClaytonESPN/stat...40104574984192
    So Anna, what do you think about the notion that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiants5518 View Post
    John Clayton tweeted this morning that voting ended.

    https://twitter.com/ClaytonESPN/stat...40104574984192
    Doesn't matter, voters will look more foolish now if Luck ends up higher in the ROY voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiants5518 View Post
    John Clayton tweeted this morning that voting ended.

    https://twitter.com/ClaytonESPN/stat...40104574984192
    Stand corrected. Whelp, the wrong man probably won then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosiercubsfan View Post
    Cousins did just fine in the time he was in there and RG3 wasn't. So yep they where just fine without him.
    Let's compare Luck and Cousins because both of them had the same number of TDs tonight, 0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouCan'tBeatLA View Post
    Doesn't matter, voters will look more foolish now if Luck ends up higher in the ROY voting.
    Oh well.
    So Anna, what do you think about the notion that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck?

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    RGIII is an athlete who can throw really well.

    Wilson is a QB who is also athletic.
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    Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by FortDetroit View Post
    RGIII is an athlete who can throw really well.

    Wilson is a QB who is also athletic.
    This is why whenever a QB or offensive coach discusses who they believe should win the award (Jaws, Moon, Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson, etc.) they pick Wilson, but your Stephen A Smiths of the world pick RG3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwbrodie View Post
    this is why whenever a qb or offensive coach discusses who they believe should win the award (jaws, moon, bradshaw, jimmy johnson, etc.) they pick wilson, but your stephen a smiths of the world pick rg3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiants5518 View Post
    John Clayton tweeted this morning that voting ended.

    https://twitter.com/ClaytonESPN/stat...40104574984192
    Ummm... Doesn't it say "NO votes are already in"???

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    This is why whenever a QB or offensive coach discusses who they believe should win the award (Jaws, Moon, Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson, etc.) they pick Wilson, but your Stephen A Smiths of the world pick RG3.
    Except I've already proven that while Wilson was the better passer, RGIII was the more valuable QB this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WadeKobe
    I did two comparisons between these two QBs (Wilson + RGIII).

    For the first I used PFR's Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt.
    For the second I used PFR's Ultimate Adjusted Yards per Attempt.

    For each comparison, I found the average performance given up by each defense faced, and found a total, cumulative Defensive ANY/A for each QB's schedule.

    I, then, found the "ANY/A Above Average" for each QB, and then multiplied it by total attempts to find a total value each QB provided above average, weighted against their defensive schedules. I followed the same steps for Ultimate Adjusted Yards per Attempt.

    I feel that ANY/A is one of the best statistics for judging a QB's performance and is also the most user friendly for adjusting for differences in passing attempts when discussing total value added, because having a league-average performance from a player for an above-average number of plays is very valuable indeed.

    uAY/A is valuable for measuring the total contribution of a QB, as it takes into account the value of their running performances and their ability to take care of the football.

    Here were the findings:

    Total Adjusted Net Yards:

    Wilson: 472.86
    RGIII: 668.82

    Total Defense-Adjusted Net Yards Above Average:

    Wilson: 617.7
    RGIII: 499.14


    So, while RGIII was significantly more productive throwing the football, Russell Wilson was actually the more productive passer when adjusting for the defenses they faced. This lends a lot of credence to the opinion of the Seahawk fans who've been telling me all year that Wilson has been better when you pay attention to their schedule.

    That being said, here is the difference in uAYA:

    Total Ultimate Adjusted Yards Above Average:

    Wilson: 3,375.84
    RGIII: 3,770.05

    Total Ultimate Defense-Adjsuted Yards Above Average:

    Wilson: 918.93
    RGIII: 944.41
    Luck: 750.58

    So, when we account for their production running the football, RGIII comes out on top as the more productive QB, even when we adjust for the defenses they faced. It is not a huge margin, but it is there, nevertheless.
    Reposting this....
    Last edited by WadeKobe; 01-07-2013 at 12:08 PM.

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