Wheeler over Bundy-Baseball Prospectus

[Marty Mcfly]

I used to be on that boat, but I just don't see how he can be better than Harvey after what he showed in the majors so far. I really hope he is better, because that would be mean we are in great shape.

Why can't he be better than Harvey?

Makes no sense, if you'd have said 'He can't be better than Doc' then fair enough.

[Captain Moroni]

All i know is that suddenly we have prospects worth talking about. Two years ago it was Mejia, and we still have him too.

[Claymation]

All i know is that suddenly we have prospects worth talking about. Two years ago it was Mejia, and we still have him too.

It is nice.

I'm looking forward to the 2nd and 3rd wave of prospects.

[Marty Mcfly]

All i know is that suddenly we have prospects worth talking about. Two years ago it was Mejia, and we still have him too.

Yes, but little else but prospects, and that's all they are, every single one of them.

We've still got Meija, but he's disappointed.

[YoungStuna28]

Why can't he be better than Harvey?

Makes no sense, if you'd have said 'He can't be better than Doc' then fair enough.

Not saying he can't, it's just hard for me to see it.

Harvey from my eye has a plus plus fastball with 3 above average secondaries that he can get swings and misses with.(curve, slider, change)

He's got all the tools to be an ace, just needs more consistent command of all his pitches.

Wheeler also has a plus plus fastball and I think his breaking ball is better and more consistent, but his change is not nearly as refined as Harvey's.

Plus his command is probably a little worse.

For me, I see Harvey being our #1 while Wheeler is our #2. We'll see.

[MetsFanatic19]

Harvey has shown the ability to do well at the major league level.

Wheeler has not.

Round 1 goes to Mr. Matt Harvey.

[GottaBelieve]

I love what I saw from Harvey but lets take it easy. He had a cup of coffee in the majors.

Lets see what he does with a full season. I'm optimistic, but I've seen too many of these types fail.

[YoungStuna28]

I love what I saw from Harvey but lets take it easy. He had a cup of coffee in the majors.

Lets see what he does with a full season. I'm optimistic, but I've seen too many of these types fail.

I think 10 starts is more than a mere cup of coffee.

I just think with his drive, make-up, and stuff, he will be successful. Just a gut feeling.

[Marty Mcfly]

Harvey has shown the ability to do well at the major league level.

Wheeler has not.

Round 1 goes to Mr. Matt Harvey.

He hasn't had the chance. So it's not round 1 to Harvey at all. If Wheeler comes up and doesn't do as well as MH did in his rookie year as MH did last year, then it's round 1 to MH.

[GottaBelieve]

I think 10 starts is more than a mere cup of coffee.

I just think with his drive, make-up, and stuff, he will be successful. Just a gut feeling.

It's a cup of coffee. We need to see what he does over close to 200 major league innings and multiple starts against the same lineup.

We have reason to be optimistic that goes well beyond anyone's gut. But Harvey is far from a guarantee at this point.

[fanofclendennon]

I think 10 starts is more than a mere cup of coffee.

I just think with his drive, make-up, and stuff, he will be successful. Just a gut feeling.

Not necessarily. While all signs look good, the proof of the pudding will be what he does this year.

But I like Harvey, a lot, and not just because of his ability to throw and spot pitches but because of what you said about his maturity and attitude. If I do have a concern it's how he and other pitchers on the staff will respond to the domino effect caused by the loss of our number one pitcher and innings eater.

It's never a good idea to burden young pitchers with more innings.

[MetsFanatic19]

He hasn't had the chance. So it's not round 1 to Harvey at all. If Wheeler comes up and doesn't do as well as MH did in his rookie year as MH did last year, then it's round 1 to MH.

Okay, so?

Harvey has shown he can pitch at the major league level. Wheeler has not thrown a pitch wearing a major league uniform.

As of this moment right now, the scale dips in Harvey's favor. Right now, if I had to pick one of the two, it would be Harvey. Wheeler needs to come up and show he can pitch just as well as Harvey did.

Matt has proven that he can be very good against MLB batters. Zack has proven nothing at the MLB level yet.

[YoungStuna28]

It's a cup of coffee. We need to see what he does over close to 200 major league innings and multiple starts against the same lineup.

We have reason to be optimistic that goes well beyond anyone's gut. But Harvey is far from a guarantee at this point.

Not it's not. And he faced the Phillies twice and dominated them twice.

Harvey is a smart pitcher, he understands what he needs to do to be successful. He had a 2.73 ERA without spot on command, that just goes to show how good his stuff is. He was a very rare underrated Mets prospect, which doesn't seem to happen these days.

[GottaBelieve]

He is a great talent, but 10 starts is nothing. Izzy had a comparable 14 starts to begin his career as a Met - he too was a similarly touted prospect.

No one is arguing about his talent level, his smarts or his understanding of how to pitch. But it's completely wrong to think his success is guaranteed going forward.

[YoungStuna28]

He is a great talent, but 10 starts is nothing. Izzy had a comparable 14 starts to begin his career as a Met - he too was a similarly touted prospect.

No one is arguing about his talent level, his smarts or his understanding of how to pitch. But it's completely wrong to think his success is guaranteed going forward.

No he did not. They aren't even close.

Izzy: 2.81 ERA, 5.32 K/9, 3 BB/9, 81.7% LOB%, 3.82 FIP
Harvey: 2.73 ERA, 10.62 K/9, 3.94 BB/9, 81.3% LOB%, 3.30 FIP

Izzy's performance was unsustainable for a number of reasons:

1)The lack of strikeouts.
2)The lack of a 3rd pitch.(Harvey has 4 pitches)

I understand your caution because of generation K, but Harvey was undersold and is a pretty safe bet moving forward.