There are so many homer fans chiming in about how great Bradley and Sullinger are.
Big Celtics fan here.
They are both FAR from great. You are all probably the same people on the Patriots blogs touting how "great of an RB" Woodhead is in the NFL.
Woodhead is good at what he does for his current team, in their offense. On most teams, he is a 5'8 guy who would get smashed constantly.
Bradley is great at one thing; perimeter defense. He is far from a "great" and complete NBA player, and will likely never be considered an all-time "great."
Sullinger has been playing "great" for about 3 weeks, and after visiting Celtics blogs, you would swear he is the next Tim Duncan, scoring in droves in the post.
Am I arguing either of their upsides, or that they are great young talents, with more to develop in their games? No.
But if you think for one second, that Demarcus Cousins is not BY FAR, the best player in a trade that would include BOTH Bradley & Sullinger (which still doesn't even seem fair in getting back a talent like Cousins), then you are very high, and please let me take a Skype-hit of whatever it is that you are smoking.
Bradley's biggest strength is his D, and we aren't really certain that his arms aren't going to fall off. Modern medicine has vastly improved success rates for shoulder surgery, but he is a professional athlete who throws his arms to D-up, to dunk, pass at high velocity, handle the ball.....anyone get where I'm going with this? He had the lesser half of the 2nd part of ONE SEASON playing at that level, and people swear he is the Boston Celtics reincarnation of Andre Tippett for our defense.
Take another hit of that good stuff.
Just because Rondo said something about his importance, doesn't mean that the team doesn't have an even greater weakness....a starting Center. KG is getting way too much burn at Center, and we will be lucky to have him playing at a high level in the playoffs if this continues. Did you watch the Clippers game? KG was only dominant on offense when Griffin/Jordan were off the floor. No way we can hang with most of the Western Conference, as is.
We need another scoring big-man, who can carry some of the load in the paint on defense.....oh and there's this thing called rebounding. Our team is horrible at that too. Cousins is a 24/10 All-Star potential player, and you guys are worried about giving up too much by sending them freaking Sullinger???
I don't think Boston has anything to offer the Kings. This is the best I could come up with (except draft picks), and if I was Sacramento's GM, I'd probably have better offers.
Or would Boston risk trading Lee, Bass, Sullinger, Terry or Green? Which would probably throw in Tyreke Evans, too.
I've seen Boston make big trades before, so we'll have to see.
Last edited by kobe4thewinbang; 12-31-2012 at 02:01 AM.
BUT I'M THE JUGGERNAUT KBE!!!
Kings fan here. Super facepalm at the notion we'd give up Cousins and Tyreke for any of the mentioned players above. I wouldn't give them both up for everyone on your team combined. You guys need to blow it up for as many draft picks and young players as possible.
Last edited by Kings Faithful; 12-31-2012 at 03:27 AM.
if we want to have cousins we woluld likely have to take back a bad contract aswell (salmons and/or outlaw/garcia)
but right now I would rather have gortat cause we need defense rebounding and shotblocking rather than offense.
Last edited by YoungOne; 12-31-2012 at 06:35 AM.
I think Bradley does have the potential to be great. He could be a legit 15 ppg scorer with good percentages from the field and 3 and all world defense IMO. And he did enough last year where I really don't think that's all that unrealistic. He was that and more for the latter part of last year.
Bradley is exceptional good at one thing - on the ball defense.
It just so happens that is one of two primary weaknesses the Celtics have.
DA is not going trade from a position of weakness to shore up another position of weakness. He's made some questionable decisions, but the man is not an idiot.
If a guard goes it will be from Terry, Lee and Barbosa.
Nothing else makes sense unless DA is ready to pull the plug on the season and begin the rebuild in earnest.
Colton Iverson (stashed overseas)
6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”
Some jerks never learn.....
2013-2014 BOSTON CELTICS
RONDO / PRESSEY
BRADLEY / BAYLESS / JOHNSON
GREEN / WALLACE / BOGANS
BASS / HUMPHRIES / FAVERANI
SULLINGER / OLYNYK / ANTHONY
If the teams speculated to be in the Cousins hunt are Boston, Mavs, Wiz and Magic I don't see DA having a leg to stand on... Maybe we can at least become a 3rd wheel for a transaction...
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Last edited by Opalmerr; 12-31-2012 at 05:07 PM.
Colton Iverson (stashed overseas)
Many execs around the league have the Celtics and Pistons at the top of the list of Cousins admirers, even after this latest episode. The Boston Scenario goes like this: surely Cousins would straighten up and fly right if he was surrounded by winners; if he had Doc Rivers barking in one ear and KG barking in the other, he'd have no choice but to give in to the Mystique.
Still, the Celtics are willing to take the gamble, according to another league source, and embrace the challenge of keeping Cousins on the right path. But if Petrie can't add any payroll, it's hard to see a scenario with Boston that would be enticing for the Kings, unless they're enamored with rookies Jared Sullinger or Fab Melo as centerpieces of a deal.
Including guard Avery Bradley might get a conversation going, but the Cs love Bradley's two-way game and have imagined him a cornerstone of their rebuild; Bradley's rapid development the second half of last season before his shoulder injuries put him on the shelf in the playoffs made it much easier for Boston to absorb Ray Allen's departure.
from what i read, celtics are hesitant to include bradley
Given the choice, I'd rather keep Sully and Bradley and tank our way to a big man. Same result
The only reason I considered Cousins as a possibility was because of the suspensions. Now he's back and playing well so we don't have a prayer