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    Why can't any star PF defend nowdays?

    There was a time when Defense was something sustantial to a Pf, Karl Malone, K Willis ( when playing pf) , Mchale,buck williams and so on.


    But nowdays neither star Pf seems to be good at it or maybe they dont care, the last two ones to deffende were duncan and Kg when they played the position ( now they play center).

    as for the rest?

    Any top 10 pf list out tehre will have these players in different orders, but the common denominator is their defense goes from average to abismal.

    Dirk, called out for his defense.
    Love, Defense is a blatant weakness.
    Griffin, Called out for his defense.
    Bosh, Called out very frecuently for his defense.
    Pau. gasoft and the rest of the ****.
    Aldrige, called out constantly.
    David Lee, Hughe Weakness.
    Randolph, Called out for being lazy on defense constantly.
    Stoudamire: just
    Boozer: Called out for his D.
    Bargnani:



    and to make it worst, except for the bolded ones, Rebounding seems to be an issue with them nowdays too

    So, whats going on with the position?
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    Bosh has been good in Miami, Blake has been good this year. Pau used to be good but got old, and Z-Bo tries hard so hes adequate but he lacks many tools.


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    as a toronto fan, add at least 6 more facepalms for bargnani.

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    Lol at Bargnani being facepalmed 4x
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    I've been saying this for awhile too Crooner. There are no real 2 way PFs in the league anymore in the mold of Malone, young Duncan, young Garnett, etc. You either have starters who play little to no D or defensive specialists with no offense.

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    Seems like modern day PF's play farther away from the basket with the influx of PF's who can shoot consistently from the outside, especially with the likes of Dirk, Love, etc. who shoot the 3 at a decent clip, therefore PF's defending are asked to defend completely different from the guys who cam before them.

    ^^random observation

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    The league has seemed to go from land of giants to athletic smalls. In 20 years defense will be a thing of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly Guy View Post
    as a toronto fan, add at least 6 more facepalms for bargnani.
    More like 15 more. He's a worst defender than my Lawyer

    I would say the variance at PF maybe as some can play like Centers, while others play more like SFs or outside players.

    Maybe because Centers are generally looked at as defensive staples, that teams don't focus in on making their PFs better defensively.

    Unlike the 90s, where there were all-around guys like Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem (Yes I know he was defensive, but he put up very good offensive #s too), Shaq, the 00s saw the Center position fall off, and guys like Jerome James and Diop got big contracts, just cause they could defend or block.

    Yeah, I'm just making **** up. But the discrepancy defensively from the PFs makes me appreciate Duncan even more
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    do you consider anthony davis a PF? varejao? noah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capital G View Post
    do you consider anthony davis a PF? varejao? noah?

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    Those aren't stars. Only Noah is but he's a center

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    I think the things is that Duncan and Garnett set the bar so high for defensive PF.

    I mean, look at the two best power forwards from the previsou generation: Karl Malone and Charles Barkley. Now, I won't say either was bad on defence, but were either of them particularily great? Malone got 4 Defnesive team placements, which is pretty good, but it's not like he was as good as Garnett or Duncan. Barkley was frankly a liability on defence himself, though he got his share of steals and blocks.

    Is Boozer that bad? Or Z-Bo? Z-Bo doesn't have the athleticism, but when a guy is posting up on Z-Bo, he holds his own. Griffen has improved this season, as did Love last season. Pau I think is an underrated defender personally.

    Others guys are awful. Bargnani comes to mind. But I think part of the reason we see these guys as 'weak' is because they are playing in the same generation as Duncan and Garnett. Those two are perhaps the best defenders in the history of the PF position (which is why many put them ahead of Barkley and Malone despite the fact Barkley and Malone were clearly the better scorers).

    And we do have guys like Ibaka and Faired now. Also Josh Smith is a pretty great defender (though he plays both forward spots). And Larry Sanders is coming to his own defensively. And though I havent' seen him play much, I've heard Favorus is a solid defender.

    I think part of the reason is because defense is something guys learn as the play in the league. People don't call out Love in his rookie or sophomore season, because the team is bad and is expect to lose. Same with Griffen. But as their teams get better, they get better at defense (normally). So while Griffen and Love may show improved defense, they already have a reputation as being bad defenders, and once you get that rep, it's hard to shake off.
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    serge ibaka. nuff said.

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    wait, Bargnani's a star pf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OKC View Post
    serge ibaka. nuff said.
    I think Ibaka tends to get overrated as a defender. Shot blocker doesn't always equal a great defender IMO. I think he's a good defender for sure. His blocking ability makes it tough for guys he's defending, I just think he's not on that "shut a player down" level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haggis View Post
    I've been saying this for awhile too Crooner. There are no real 2 way PFs in the league anymore in the mold of Malone, young Duncan, young Garnett, etc. You either have starters who play little to no D or defensive specialists with no offense.
    What's funny is Duncan and Garnett are still probably better than a lot of the younger guys even at their age. (In terms of 2 way play)

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