Magic, Stockton, Big O, Kidd, Nash........
Magic, Stockton, Big O, Kidd, Nash........
Nash I would.say is also arguably the greatest shooter of all time. Tremendous talent given.that his athleticism was always non-existent. He relies on skill and intelligence as well as natural ability and is still.one of the.top.PGs in.the game at age 39. However, his all time ranking will always take into.consideration the fact he has always been a.defensive liability.
I'm even a guy who thinks the idea that "true" or "pass-first" PGs are so incredibly valuable...which is kinda what Stockton was. I just loved his game, thought he always was making the right decisions and was the absolute best floor general I had ever seen. He never made bad decisions...and in Zeke I saw a guy who occasionally teetered out of control and made a lot of bad decisions. Clearly Zeke was a "winner", though...so maybe this feeling of mine is off-base too.
I don't think I'll ever be able to rank Nash over Stockton.
Top 5 PG all time, court vision is unmatched.
On topic, as I said in my other comment I haven't watched the greats so I cannot rank Nash. However, one thing I have noticed is that he isn't as bad of a defender as people make him seem out to be. Well, at least that is what is seems like in the few Laker's games I have watched. I did not pay much attention to Nash's defense on the Suns.
I feel he was stifled by the times, just like Stockton getting robbed by Jordan, Kobe and Shaq robbed Nash
Maybe the rings he has are clouding my judgement but I recall Zeke coming up big and raising his game in the playoffs by a substantial degree, I also feel his game would be better served to today's rules. I just dont know much about their playoff performances to have any sort of strong opinion here.
As for Stockton's assist numbers, you have to give him credit for that. Every player has favourable score keepers.... why would stockton's numbers be the only ones impacted? Stockton was an amazing play maker. And a far better scorer than Thomas. Better percentages across the board, Thomas just got more points because he shot more. Stockton got more steals, fewer turnovers, more assists.... I mean, the only arguement people can make for Thomas is by IGNORING Stockton's numbers, and then saying that people didnt vote for Thomas on the All-NBA teams because of one comment? Come on. Its not like people stopped voting for Artest for the All-Defensive team because he went into the stnads and beat up fans.
I loved Thomas growing up. I'm from the Detroit area, but even I know that Thomas is not better than Stockton.
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Is it me, or are volume scorers such as Thomas, Iverson, and Kobe massively overrated? I was thinking this because of the thread and because of how Kobe and Nash are playing together. I see Kobe dropping points on good shooting, but lets say Kobe drops off and shoots around 45/46 percent and 34 from the three, would it be more effective for him to take an isolation shot as opposed to Nash completely running the show and finding other player's open for three? One thing I will say is though, that isolation/high volume shooters are useful in the playoffs and in the clutch because defenses clamp down on shooters. I could name a thousand occasions where Stojakovic, one of my favorite players since I am Serbian, disappeared in the playoffs. Heck, they benched him for Hedo a lot of the time because he was a better isolation player/defender.
LOL he said alot more than that over the years, remember when he said it was better for black people to call women *****es? You really dont know what a scumbag/competitor Zeke was if you think thats all he said. And LOTS of people thought he was racist with that comment.The racist comments? All he said was that if Bird was black, he wouldnt get the same amout of press that he got, and he was right. I dont think people thought that was racist.
Thats not true, I dont know of a single player that has the same home/away disparity.As for Stockton's assist numbers, you have to give him credit for that. Every player has favourable score keepers....
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