ERA - His 3.90 is sandwiched between James Shields (3.89) and Max Scherzer (3.92).
Wins - He's behind Jamie Moyer (262)
Playoffs - he had one great game, but a 3.80 ERA isn't good enough to prove he's a dominant post season arm. Curt Schilling went 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA over 19 starts (133 innings). Compare that to Morris who was 7-4 in 13 games with a 3.80 ERA.
The only case for Morris is Truthiness, that he feels like a Hall of Famer despite all evidence to the contrary. And I didn't even bother going to advanced stats here.
Last edited by Twitchy; 12-30-2012 at 02:41 PM.
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As for Kent, his career WAR places him in HOF territory alone. All but 4 secondbaggers with higher wars are in the hall. We could extend this into a debate regarding Biggio, Whitaker, etc but sticking to Kent...
Among second basemen...
HR: 1st all time (377 homers. Next up was Rogers Hornsby at 301. Honestly, on that stat differential alone, he warrants serious consideration.)
RBI: 3rd all time
Doubles: 4th all time
OPS: 11th all time
Runs: 12th all time
Hits: 12th all time
Games played: 13th all time
To me, he's a hall of famer.
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As for Kent he's borderline to me. I think he gets in but to me he is borderline. Never considered him one of teh greatest players during his team but again the case can be made i guess. Though again Kent was trade half way through the season so i dont consider him as part of that team that won the series.
92 team had a clear advantage, that most core guys had 1-2 years to gel and work together. A cemented bond between alomar, carter, olerud, white, borders, key, maldonado, stodlemyle, henke, ward, gruber was already established especially under cito and co.
compared, 13 team barely has any time to get used to one another and comfortable before working towards a championship. like even pujols, fielder was slow coming out of the gate which shows adjustment and settling down all take time. of course, gibbons is another question mark when he rubs his fists to challenge stars
I reserve my doubts and will be happy as long as jays get into playoffs but winning it all is an overachievement at this stage
That said, I can understand the argument contextually (in being measured against his peers over the same period.) I believe wins is an acceptable supportive stat for far more important numbers crucial for Hall of Fame consideration. It's those "far more important numbers" that Morris lacks.
Last edited by fmradioguy; 12-31-2012 at 12:21 PM.