New batting practice caps!

[misterd]

Originally Posted by misterd

As for the Braves cap, I get why Indian and Redskin are offensive. But Brave? How is that different from Vikings, Trojans, Spartans, Knights, Cavaliers etc?

I think it's because they don't exist anymore, who was the last person of trojan descent that you met? The Vikings got their name because Minnesota is full of people who are of Swedish, Danish, Norwegian decent, and once again, there are no vikings in the world.

Vikings, Trojans, Spartans, Knights, Cavaliers etc may no longer exist (or at least not as imagined in popular culture - there are technically knights still in England), but then I don't know a whole lot of Braves out there either. Yes, the culture and people that spawned them still exists, just as there are still Norwegians, Turks, Greeks, English and French.

There are all sorts of things surrounding this that I see offending people, but I still don't get what the "negative stereotype" is in the image and name of indigenous warriors who, I'm fairly certain, would let out a war cry when it was time to whoop ***. I don't even think it can be fairly argued that the image itself is historically untrue (unlike a horned viking).

[Dugmet]

in what way did i contradict myself? i said that you don't have to have a feeling of superiority to hold a racist belief or play on stereotypes which is what's happened here.

You wrote:

...if a person really believes that all Asians are bad drivers, or that all southerners are inbred or all Mexicans are here illegally if a person believes those things then they are holding a racist belief, they don't need to think that they are superior to others because of race.

Racism is the belief that others are inferior in some capacity by virtue of the race. A belief is racist when the individual believes others are inferior to him/her and therefore he/she is superior by virtue of race. Can we agree on this?

As for the Braves logo. A brave is an Indian warrior. Guess what? Indian tribes were often at war with other tribes well before the Americas were invaded by Europeans. Most civilizations have had some form of a military, and baseball is a competitive sport. The logo represents a "fighting spirit". No more, no less. The name "Braves" is a noun, but also describes an admirable quality -- to be brave. What exactly is the negative connotation associated with the logo to which you object?

[Sretep75]

I honestly don't see the Braves cap being racist at all.