Maybe in another 20 years, Ben Zobrist will be looked upon as a baseball god.
I'd throw Will Clark in the mix. Didn't even make it past the first ballot, when guys like Don Mattingly and Keith Hernandez did.
Olerud would get a lot more love today if he started his career today.
For sure, I don't think Olerud ever got close to 30 hrs and probably only had a 100 Rbis a couple times. He could hit, get on base, and racked up the doubles. No slouch in the field either. I'll never forgt that '93 season.
Olerud had one of the sweetest, pure swings I've ever seen. If I were to teach someone how to swing, that's who I'd tell them to watch. Definitely one of the most under-rated Jays in history. Joe carter is on the opposite side, he was and still is one of the most over-rated Jays in history and players in history. Carter did hit the home run that won the team the world series so I'll always love the guy for that but his career OBP of .306 should tell you something. He was in the .800-.850 OPS range on world series teams that were absolutely stacked and that's all he could hack. Keep in mind, he was getting MVP votes in those days too. Imagine a guy putting up a .808 OPS and 2.2 WAR getting votes today? Carter played 16 years(2189 GP) and Olerud played 17 years (2234 GP). The difference?
Carter got HOF votes. Astonishing. As an example, In 9 seasons Nick Swisher has put up a 17.9 WAR. For the love of god, people need to put the RBI "debate" to rest.
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Olerud was the first guy who came to mind for gains, I loved watching him play and like halladay said his swing was so sweet and pure.
The AL MVP voters from this year are gonna look really dumb, they already do to me.
5k K's what about his 2700 something walks?
I'm 55 and have heard it dozens and dozens of times - in PSD alone - do a search.
I love Maddux and Pedro as well. But Johnson, he was just so dominate and so over powering. Imagin, if he could of got his command issues fixed earlier in his career. Because he really came in and started to dominate later in his career, when you compare it to a lot of the other greats.
Ruben Sierra was absolute dog **** in the majors the day he turned 27 and played until he was 40. He has to be up there with the biggest losers. Dante Bichette is up there too.
Crazy stat of the day: Dante Bichette's .379 wOBA/.895 OPS 1999 season yielded a 100 wRC+ and 102 OPS+. That is insane.
In other news, the 2008 NL MVP voting...oh god.