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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post

    The team is in shambles, they arent going for the better fit. They arent winning anything any time soon so the best reason for trading Lowry arent really basketball related, strictly emotional. This article sounds made up for that very reason, I mean really whats the logic here.
    It is about fit, at least it better be. You don't just trade Lowry for no reason, he is a talented pg but he has flaws. Lowry struggles running the pick and roll and has a tendency of being selfish. The team has already had a meeting pointing out his selfishness.
    “It’s about winning,” Stoudemire said. “You win, you’re going to get on national TV. Simple. In Phoenix, we won — Western Conference finals three, four years, playoffs every year. We won. If you don’t win, nobody really wants to see you.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by koreancabbage View Post
    I don't see how they would trade Calderon just to appease the mediocrity of this team.

    In all likely hood, I would like to see Ed Davis, Terrence Ross, and Lowry in the starting lineup before we trade away the team's most talented PG. Bargnani and Derozan and a young and new center to the NBA isn't giving Lowry much to play with on defence.

    and the fact they kept playing Lowry with Calderon in the PG and SG spots in closing out games was ridiculous.

    Calderon is in a contract year as well. one final run for a big contract for him.

    He does well with players like Amir and Ed Davis due to their inabilty to score themselves. Raps have a problem in their front court more so than their PGs "controversy".
    But the PG 'controversy' is where we have tradable assets. We've been saying it all along, we need dynamic 2-way players. We've got capable rotation players, redundancy at PF and PG positions [now SG too] with guys who are solid but not mind blowing at what they do. This whole roster needs a little retooling, so I'm open to any and all serious offers for anyone on the roster, Lowry, Jose, or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aman_13 View Post
    It is about fit, at least it better be. You don't just trade Lowry for no reason, he is a talented pg but he has flaws. Lowry struggles running the pick and roll and has a tendency of being selfish. The team has already had a meeting pointing out his selfishness.
    I'm not sold on Lowry being a problem....yet. He's been playing with ******** rotations with rumours in the background that BC's had too much hand in how Coach Casey handles his job. Expecting Lowry to trust his teammates when he can't rely on Amir, or Ed to make an elbow jumper [although they can actually do so], passing to black hole Bargnani, or that 'off waivers' pickup in Alan Anderson. Would you be looking to move the ball with those are your other options? Especially if your team is like 5-19 at the time?

    I'm not saying he shouldn't trust his teammates, but I can see where he's coming from if he doesn't. We'll see what he comes back into the lineup like, if he starts playing with the guys and we continue to play well, we might still find out he's a better fit than calderon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aman_13 View Post
    It is about fit, at least it better be. You don't just trade Lowry for no reason, he is a talented pg but he has flaws. Lowry struggles running the pick and roll and has a tendency of being selfish. The team has already had a meeting pointing out his selfishness.
    while he was injured to add. there has been no play to back up on what he hasn't learned yet. Lowry is as talented as an allstar PG but selfishness has been his downturn - probably the only thing you can fault him on. he gets back on defence, plays defence, rebounds the ball better than our starting big men, finds people here and there (not as much as Calderon) and can shoot the 3/drive to the basket.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly Guy View Post
    But the PG 'controversy' is where we have tradable assets. We've been saying it all along, we need dynamic 2-way players. We've got capable rotation players, redundancy at PF and PG positions [now SG too] with guys who are solid but not mind blowing at what they do. This whole roster needs a little retooling, so I'm open to any and all serious offers for anyone on the roster, Lowry, Jose, or anyone else.
    Calderon is in the last year of his contract. Lowry is a two way player - we have our player for the forseeable future - and we traded a first rounder for him.

    and who are we going to trade for: Granger? ughhh. No one on this team is going to get back a mind blowing player that is a two way player unless they are getting paid $$$$ and we are the suckers who can take on that contract that will be another hindrance to this franchise.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dtmagnet View Post
    Lowry only has 2 years on his deal and I'm not sure they'd be smart to tie up their cap on his large payraise (if he will even re-sign in Toronto.)
    Who said anything about resigning him? But its amazing that hes still under contract for 2 more years, man Morey knows how to lock up talent dirt cheap. Whats he making in those 2 years anyways? Prolly less than Calderon makes in 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by aman_13 View Post
    It is about fit, at least it better be. You don't just trade Lowry for no reason, he is a talented pg but he has flaws. Lowry struggles running the pick and roll and has a tendency of being selfish. The team has already had a meeting pointing out his selfishness.
    Why would a team this bad be worried about fit? I dont agree with your opinion on Lowry's game either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koreancabbage View Post
    Calderon is in the last year of his contract. Lowry is a two way player - we have our player for the forseeable future - and we traded a first rounder for him.

    and who are we going to trade for: Granger? ughhh. No one on this team is going to get back a mind blowing player that is a two way player unless they are getting paid $$$$ and we are the suckers who can take on that contract that will be another hindrance to this franchise.
    you're right, it may not be the time to get that dynamic 2 way player where calderon or lowry is the centerpiece of the trade.

    I'm not sold on Lowry as being our 'PG of the future' but I'm also not saying he isn't yet. But at 9-19, you should be listening to all offers, and no one should be considered unmovable.

    But there should be demand for the 2 PGs in some respect, so we should be able to get some value back for one of them through trade. Either with addition by subtraction (taking one of our bad contracts in return Bargnani, Fields, Kleiza), or future assets like picks, or a desperately lacking specialist (I think we could use some kind of 3 point shooter out there given Bargnani's regression, Ross being a rook etc, but not from the freaking 4-5 spot!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    Who said anything about resigning him? But its amazing that hes still under contract for 2 more years, man Morey knows how to lock up talent dirt cheap. Whats he making in those 2 years anyways? Prolly less than Calderon makes in 1?


    Why would a team this bad be worried about fit? I dont agree with your opinion on Lowry's game either.
    Lowry's making ~$6mil over the next 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly Guy View Post
    you're right, it may not be the time to get that dynamic 2 way player where calderon or lowry is the centerpiece of the trade.

    I'm not sold on Lowry as being our 'PG of the future' but I'm also not saying he isn't yet. But at 9-19, you should be listening to all offers, and no one should be considered unmovable.

    But there should be demand for the 2 PGs in some respect, so we should be able to get some value back for one of them through trade. Either with addition by subtraction (taking one of our bad contracts in return Bargnani, Fields, Kleiza), or future assets like picks, or a desperately lacking specialist (I think we could use some kind of 3 point shooter out there given Bargnani's regression, Ross being a rook etc, but not from the freaking 4-5 spot!).
    or we should just get back on tank nation, accumulate young assets, and then come back with a fresher future.

    why do you want bad contracts? right now we have talent hindrance (i.e. not enough) vs financial hindrance later in the future. for the target of a .500 record? we have to go like 32-21 to get to .500 again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcrooner View Post
    Lowry seems to be more bout the name on the back that in the front of the Jersey and his health problems are not helping.
    what makes you think he is more about "the name on the back"? I have seen no evidence of this.

    Teams that could use him just off the top of my head:

    Atlanta
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    Why do they have to trade either of them? Didn't Calderon express interest in staying, have him resign on the cheap and continue his underrated tenure with Toronto. Its an emotional thing to do, but some players just mean that much to a franchise.

    You definitely dont move Lowry because you just traded your lotto pick for him and havent even given him a decent home stand to learn the team, at the very least you hold onto him knowing his value is at an all-time low right now.

    The only reason I would move either of those 2 would be to get rid of Bargnani. Last years defensive improvements have vanished, it seems the team overachieved on that end so its back to finding defensive talent.
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    Only way they move Lowry is if an elite SF is available, Gay or Granger come to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koreancabbage View Post
    or we should just get back on tank nation, accumulate young assets, and then come back with a fresher future.

    why do you want bad contracts? right now we have talent hindrance (i.e. not enough) vs financial hindrance later in the future. for the target of a .500 record? we have to go like 32-21 to get to .500 again.
    this season is gone. It was gone weeks back. I want to see our team play well for the rest of the season, but I'm not expecting a 500 record.

    the only benefit, as I've said before, is that we know our season's a wash early, so we have more time to pick and choose the best deals in trades for whatever assets we have.

    I don't want bad contracts, I want rid of our bad ones. If we can't net a franchise player, or a game changing player, then we should at least maintain the ability to utilize one should we find one later. We're not contenders, but we should at least be in a position to become one as quickly as possible should the right situation come about.

    We need a 3. We need another distributor if we keep Lowry because he isn't going to keep guys like Amir or Ed, or Jonas involved. We need a guy who can stretch the floor without playing it out of position. We have needs, and I'm not at all dissatisfied if it comes through a multi-player deal.

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    THE only reason lowry and the raptors even interest me are because i have lowry on my fantasy team and i need him to go out and be selfish for me. i dont care if toronto wins
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    If Jimmer were to be given free reign offensively, the team would basically quit on the organization out of jealousy and envy. The white man is the minority in this game and the black players will be damned if the white man shows him up at his own game. Similar situation happening with Kevin Love, the team has to surround him with foreigners and whites because black players won't succumb to the greatness that is Kevin Love.

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    I'd trade Felton and Novak right now for Gray and Lowry. Well not now. Jan 15th.
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