No playoff team last year has gotten their team as far as they went last year, I see no relevance to this whatsoever. Although the Broncos clinched home field advantage and at worst will be exactly where they were last year.... As far as comeback player, that should probably go to Peterson too. If you're good enough to win MVP and you're in the running for Comeback Player of the Year, you damn should win it.Manning hasn't got his team as far as they went last year yet and is probably going to win the award because he made a comeback.
I've been saying Peterson should win MVP in this thread before you decided to chime in, so perhaps you shouldn't assume.Peterson SHOULD win the award because he had a season that was top 10 all time by a RB and CARRIED his team to the playoffs. Relax theres probably no more room up Peytons *** for you anyway.
Last edited by Mudvayne91; 01-02-2013 at 07:28 PM.
What part of that criteria eliminates Peterson? You don't even have to have missed a game to win the award. So unless you know what the hell you're talking about, keep that little lobster mouth of yours quiet.The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance
Mike Santo's final mvp watch
Peyton Manning's 11-week run atop the MVP Watch list wasn't going to end after the Denver Broncos quarterback closed the season with 304 yards and three touchdowns during a 38-3 victory.
Manning completed 79.3 percent of his passes while finishing with his highest single-game Total QBR score (98.7) in the five-year history of the quarterbacking metric.
And if recent history holds, Manning will emerge as a five-time MVP when the Associated Press reveals the winner one day before the Super Bowl. The four previous season leaders in Total QBR became MVPs, including Manning twice.
Ballots are due Thursday. I am not among the voters.
Manning stands as a clear MVP choice, in my view, based on how his play has affected the Broncos' chances for winning.
Quarterbacks are more important to game outcomes than players at other positions. Passing trumps running in the NFL. What stands as a horrible game for a QB -- say, 110 yards on 20 attempts -- would qualify as a top-flight effort for a runner.
Minnesota's Adrian Peterson would get my vote as the top offensive player or as the most impressive player after topping 2,000 yards rushing for a playoff team. No player in the NFL was more compelling to watch this season, at least from this angle.
But there is a reason QBs keep winning the award. They're more valuable.
Playing the NFL's fourth-easiest schedule certainly helped Manning this season. That might have come into play if the Broncos struggled to pull out victories this season. Instead, they won each of their final 11 games by at least seven points. They earned a first-round playoff bye, meaning they've already gotten as far in the playoffs as the 8-8 Broncos advanced last season.
1.) Peyton Manning
2.) Tom BradyManning finished his first season in Denver with the second-highest single-season QBR score (84.1) in the five-year history of the metric. Aaron Rodgers was at 86.2 for the 2011 season. Manning now owns three of the five best seasons on record, even though he did not play in 2011. Denver made a five-game improvement in the standings, winning each of its final 11 games by at least seven points apiece. The Broncos' scoring improved from 309 to 481 points.
3.) Adrian PetersonBrady finished second to Manning in QBR this season at 77.1, his best single-season score since missing 2008 with a knee injury. He threw 20 touchdown passes without an interception when opponents rushed him with five or more defenders. The Patriots led the NFL in points per game (34.8), point margin per game (plus-14.1), red zone efficiency (70 percent), third-down conversion rate (48.7) and interception rate (1.4). Brady made it all possible.
4.) Aaron RodgersPeterson is the fifth player in NFL history to reach 2,000 yards rushing and qualify for the postseason. Jamal Lewis (2003), Barry Sanders (1997) and Eric Dickerson (1984) were one-and-done for the playoffs. Terrell Davis (1998) advanced to the Super Bowl and won it with Denver. Peterson had 409 yards rushing against first-round opponent Green Bay this season. He would need 249 in the wild-card round to break Dickerson's record for rushing yards in a playoff game. Peterson finished the 2012 season with 1,019 yards after contact. No one else had more than 683 (Doug Martin).
5.) Matt Ryan
6.) Russell Wilson
7.) J.J. Watt
8.) Robert Griffin III
9.) Andrew Luck
10.) Von Miller
I don't really understand the argument for Manning over Brady, or even Rodgers. The Patriots offense was by far the #1 offense in the NFL, and the Patriots played a much tougher schedule with a much weaker defense and ended up with only 1 more loss than the Broncos (and they beat the Broncos too). Brady threw a lot more than Manning, and ended up with less turnovers. Brady had the league lowest 1.3 INT% this season; Manning was 1.9%.
And I still think AP is MVP.
Last edited by xnick5757; 01-02-2013 at 07:46 PM.
IDK who Mike Santo is, but he's a moron.
****ing QBR is so ugh....Whatever. Clutch
But hey, don't get butt hurt cause your big mouth got your foot shoved in it because you don't know the criteria of the award. If you don't think AP is very much in play for the award, you're clearly not paying attention.
The last part was cute. I hope you're like 12-16 range though cause your maturity and IQ is around that range.
Last edited by Mudvayne91; 01-02-2013 at 08:18 PM.
I am still not sure that the Clutch Weight is helpful, considering that it is an attempt to bridge the gap between EPA and WPA, yet it actually causes TQBR to correlate to wins worse than EPA does on its own.
However, like it or not, TQBR is here to stay. It is no longer an ESPN stat made for TV. It is beginning to be respected in statistical communities and is now included as a main statistic for QBs on both PFR and FO. It's here to stay.