Also per is also based off of league average, so comparing people from different eras is going to have some variance. Also comparing WAde to someone who has finished their career is foolish, considering most of Wades career has been spent in his prime lol
Ughhh. Wade wasn't the only example...there were many more inconsistencies that I pointed out.
Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.29
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Dwyane Wade 25.62
7. Chris Paul 25.47
8. Bob Pettit* 25.35
9. Tim Duncan 24.76
10. Neil Johnston* 24.69
11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Magic Johnson* 24.11
14. Karl Malone* 23.90
15. Dirk Nowitzki 23.63
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Julius Erving* 23.58
18. Larry Bird* 23.50
19. Kobe Bryant 23.48
20. Kevin Garnett 23.25
Well, according to that list...
David Robinson has a higher PER than Magic
Barkley has a higher PER than Kareem
Wade has a higher PER than Duncan
Malone has a higher PER than Hakeem
Dirk has a higher PER than Bird
Lebron has a higher PER than Duncan
Barkley has a higher PER than Hakeem
Barkley has a higher PER than Magic
Wade has a higher PER than Bird
How many more inconsistencies do you want me to find?
Just thought I'd fix that for ya.
Anyone with a working brain can understand that not because a player has a better PER he's better than another its basically that player doing more on the floor statistically per minute that he's given than another player. More so in terms of offense than defensively.
JUST BECAUSE ONE PLAYER HAS A BETTER PER THAN ANOTHER DOES NOT MAKE HIM A BETTER PLAYER IT MEANS HE HAS A HIGHER PER PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Using career PER to say that one player is better than another is like me saying Allen Iverson is a better scorer than Kobe Bryant because he has a higher career scoring average. According to some idiots around here (the usual suspects sadly) I would be right, since they seem to believe that that's how stats works.
I use stats in damn near every player evaluation I make and the same goes for %100 of the open minded rational posters on this forum what we don't do however is use them wrongly for purposes in which they weren't intended for without the use of context. If I did I'd be running around saying A.I. should have been on the All D team on more occasions than Kobe since he averaged more steals than damn near anyone else who played at the G position during his time.
Stats aren't the end all us "nerds" or "stat guys" like some idiots like to call us always say this time and time again but apparently they are to dumb, dense or slow to see this.
According to some of these guys, career PER is the absolute end all say all stat for career rankings. They just look past all reasonable arguments, and say as little as a .05 difference is concrete evidence that the player is better.
Ive seen more people say what you just described than actual people who abuse it as the end all. Just saying, I would like to see these posters.
"It’s absolutely ludicrous” (to judge players based on whether they’ve won a title.)
I argue more than most posters here on the NBA Forum and in my time here on the NBA Forum I have NEVER seen someone say this. Could you please find us an example where someone says PER is an end all stat. The only persons who say that are the ones who hate it (eg Nicky, Amoser etc). Guys who actually know what PER is and what it represents have never said that around here.
I believe he was referencing guys like amose who make that claim as a way to try and discredit it. Basically I think he's agreeing with you
Yea what is he thinking not wanting to drive next to or near drunk people. I have never met a more sheltered scaredy cat. As a hobby i find 10-15 homeless guys and give them lots of alcohol and play bumper cars all day but im normal.