^wow... i don't understand this at all. It's not like he'd cost a ton. Why the hell would we not want an GG corner OFer with a strong arm and a possible 30 HR, 100 RBI guy..
Of course I'm not saying that he'd be that kinda player, but you just said if we knew he would have those seasons, you wouldn't want him... Sorry I just don't understand.
Francoeur's only good year was 2007 where he hit .293/.338/.444 with outstanding defense(thanks to his arm) I highly doubt that Alvarez has that kind of arm.
But Francoeur's defense is limited thanks to his below average range.
Even in 2007, he had a good year, but that's not the time of season to look for as a ceiling.
I'd hope that Alvarez can provide more power than Francoeur and give a .290/.340/.480 kind of line eventually.
As for Francoeur, we have several guys already who are better, and will probably sign Hairston who is better as well. Last season we also had Torres, who was better than Francoeur. I just don't think you grasp how truly bad Francoeur is. He's another guy who should be a bench player or a minor leaguer.
I would even rather have Torres back than have Francoeur. Even without signing Hairston, there are 5 guys on the roster now who were better than Francoeur last season, and who project to be better than Francoeur next season.
I've already said I was underestimating Alvarez with the Francoeur comp, but if he doesn't learn to draw a walk, he's really might not be better than a guy like Valdespin.
He's not an MLB CF. He's a LF who is about the same age as Kirk, and with about as much power as Kirk. But he can't play CF and he doesn't walk. He doesn't strike out like Kirk, so maybe he'll hit for enough average to be as good as Kirk, and maybe there's some projection there where he can be even better, but I don't think it's a sure thing.
^Well said. Also, the more I think about it, the less I think Alvarez will end up getting.
I doubt that he's a better prospect than Leonys Martin, so I don't know if he'll get that much more. I know the market has changed a bit from a few years ago, but I don't see him getting a lot.
Getting him and putting him in AA would make a lot of sense.
Baxter is better than Francoeur???? Really???? In a game situation we'd rather have Vspin or Niewenhaus up there???? Or Cowsill???? Gimmee a brake with this stuff.
Francoeur is up and down and an average player but he's had some pretty good seasons. The others have done nothing. I don't want Francoeur back; but putting him on a list behind these guys is laughable.
Are there any stats about how often stats are thrown at a player???? Francoeur has the be the most over statisticalized player in history.
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Even if you look at the last 5 seasons of data, Francoeur is only at 13.5% in this metric, well below league average, and comparable to Torres last year. Even if you look at his HR rate for those 5 years (one per 40.6 PA), it's much lower than Hairston's (1 per 24 PA) in that time, or than Valdespin's (1 per 25.8 PA) or Duda's (1 per 31 PA) so far and only very slightly ahead of Kirk Nieuwenhuis (1 per 44.9 PA).
So even if you completely ignore everything Francoeur totally sucks at, and focus on his one relative strength, he's really not even better at that one thing than what we already have. If you consider overall baseball ability, I think a Gm would be out of his mind right now to choose Francoeur over any of Baxter, Duda, Nieuwenhuis, or Valdespin.
Francoeur is a player who has shown that he has the ability to actually do something in the past. Isn't there a reason why Baxter was just floating around out there???? And Cowgill.
VSpin, Kirk and Duda may be something someday both the've proved nothing so far.
If all those players were cut loose to the DFA list, I believe Francoeur would be picked ahead of most of them. And if he wasn't it would be salary related more than ability related.
I wouldn't build around Francoeur nor pay him what he is probably making. All I'm saying, is given what we seem to have out there now, I'd rather have Francoeur.
Again, there's an assumption that once our payroll becomes "more flexible" we'll start opting for "good" players instead of merely "affordable" ones.
Let's just say I have my doubts.
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