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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers-king View Post
    My bad. You're right. Cuban league is a little better than Mexican league.

    But still, where do you see anything about his defense? Cespedes would be worth only 1.0-1.5 more wins than Duda if he played in the NL with his defense. And Cespedes is a MUCH better offensive player than this guy in several areas.
    I'd say it's significantly better personally. A lot of Cuban players have came to the big leagues right away from over there. The Mexican league is probably the equivalent to A ball.

    He supposedly has an above average arm and has impressed scouts with it. Cespedes was decent in the OF when he played LF instead of CF. He obviously lacked the range for CF, but he's got a very strong arm.

    Cespedes and Alvarez put up similar numbers in their last seasons in Cuba, and again Cespedes was older. Alvarez needs to work on his plate discipline, but at least he makes a good amount of contact.

    For a team lacking high-end outfield options, he could be a nice investment for us. He will require a multi-year deal, but the money shouldn't be too crazy.

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    If signing him means that we wont have the money to go after a OFer in the 2014 offseason then we probably shouldn't take the gamble on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradHolt4CYoung View Post
    If signing him means that we wont have the money to go after a OFer in the 2014 offseason then we probably shouldn't take the gamble on him.
    We have like nothing on the books. That can't be an excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    He supposedly has an above average arm and has impressed scouts with it.
    Source?

    Cespedes was decent in the OF when he played LF instead of CF. He obviously lacked the range for CF, but he's got a very strong arm.
    Judging by SB total, Cespedes is faster than this guy

    Cespedes and Alvarez put up similar numbers in their last seasons in Cuba, and again Cespedes was older. Alvarez needs to work on his plate discipline, but at least he makes a good amount of contact.
    Their skill-sets don't even compare IMO. Cespedes was far and AWAY superior. They did not "put up similar numbers"

    Cespedes hit 33 HR, 49 BB, 40 K. He hit over .300 for 7 out of 8 seasons. He averaged .420 OBP in his final 3 seasons there.

    They aren't even in the same ballpark!! The gulf in skill between the two is large!


    For a team lacking high-end outfield options, he could be a nice investment for us. He will require a multi-year deal, but the money shouldn't be too crazy.

    Yeah, he'd be a nice investment if he didn't cost anything. If you gotta throw 28/4 at him (which is probably what it'd take), it'd be incredibly stupid.
    Last edited by numbers-king; 12-24-2012 at 12:45 AM.

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    His lack of plate discipline says it all. Just going with a quick visual its seems like his OBP would only be about .04 points higher than his batting average. I don't see him hitting .300 consistently, more like .280 (which is probably a very optimistic number), so we're looking at a likely .320 OBP. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him depending on the contract but comparing him to someone like Cespedes is a stretch.
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    I wouldn't want him for any more than 2 year contract - even then I'd much much prefer 1 year.

    The only reason I'm slightly interested is because our outfield is already abysmal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers-king View Post
    Source?

    Judging by SB total, Cespedes is faster than this guy

    Their skill-sets don't even compare IMO. Cespedes was far and AWAY superior. They did not "put up similar numbers"

    Cespedes hit 33 HR, 49 BB, 40 K. He hit over .300 for 7 out of 8 seasons. He averaged .420 OBP in his final 3 seasons there.

    They aren't even in the same ballpark!! The gulf in skill between the two is large!

    Yeah, he'd be a nice investment if he didn't cost anything. If you gotta throw 28/4 at him (which is probably what it'd take), it'd be incredibly stupid.
    Alvarez, a right-handed hitter who played for Camaguey in Serie Nacional, defected from Cuba last summer and has been playing professionally in Vera Cruz, Mexico, since October. The 6-foot-2, 190 pound Alvarez can play all three outfield positions and has impressed Major League scouts with his above-average arm during league-play in Mexico.
    So yeah he's got a nice arm and he's got a larger frame than Cespedes who is only 5'10". This guy is going to hit for some power.

    SB numbers don't tell the whole story about how fast a guy is, it has more to with reading pitchers and getting good jumps.

    Cespedes obviously has better plate discipline and likely more power at this point, but Alvarez can hit for similar power numbers as he continues to mature.

    With our need for high upside right-handed outfielders and seeing how good Cespedes did in his rookie season, I'd take a gamble on this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangers&MetsFTW View Post
    I wouldn't want him for any more than 2 year contract - even then I'd much much prefer 1 year.

    The only reason I'm slightly interested is because our outfield is already abysmal.
    Why would he possible sign for 1 year. Never Happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomota48 View Post
    Why would he possible sign for 1 year. Never Happen.
    Didn't think it was possibility. Merely expressing my disinterest in him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lvlheaded View Post
    Id love to have him. Could be a nice piece in the OF. Therefore, we wont sign him
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    Mets should really be aggressive on Alvarez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acerimusdux View Post
    Mets should really be aggressive on Alvarez.
    Right? I don't know why more people aren't open to it. This guy has power, plays outfield, has a nice arm and bats right-handed. Not to mention he's young, I bet Hudgens could help him out a little with drawing walks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Right? I don't know why more people aren't open to it. This guy has power, plays outfield, has a nice arm and bats right-handed. Not to mention he's young, I bet Hudgens could help him out a little with drawing walks.
    He's not ready for MLB in my opinion. But he might be worth something between the Leonys Martin and Yasiel Puig deals.

    Basically, he did break out last year, but a breakout at age 23 in Cuba should be somewhat as suspect as a breakout at age 23 in A+ ball. That said, he did tie his Cuban club's record for HR, while setting records for hits and RBI. And scouts seem to think he'll be solid in RF, with a good arm.

    In the current market, where salaries are going up, outfield talent especially seems to be fetching a good price, and where you can no longer splurge on most international talents due to the cap, and where Cespedes was a huge success last year, a player like this not subject to the cap is still going to get a good price.

    I would bet he gets something like 6/30, and a lot of people will question it saying he's not as good as Puig or Martin. But that still looks like a much better investment than Cody Ross at 3/26.

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    Except Cody Ross is proven and Alvarez isn't that impressive and could be 27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Except Cody Ross is proven and Alvarez isn't that impressive and could be 27.
    Yes, but Ross isn't that impressive and couldn't be 27.

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