The owner just didn't address the issue until the team blew up.
I will agree with one thing. I don't think the person who made this decision had any idea how bad a decision it would turn out to be.
-Sun TzuLet your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.
How do you not see that the entire offense sucks? Every player in that offense sucks. It's been completely inefficient and terrible, Sanchez or not.
Greene is a going to be a 3.9-4.0 YPC guy, Powell is a backup. Hill has been terrible this season, Holmes is overrated, Edwards is a shell, Sanchez is obviously terrible. The cheap signings - Schilens, Gates - awful, can't ever get separation. Keller is a disappointment.
McElroy is the only unknown.
We need a new QB, a star RB, a couple of Pro Bowl caliber wideouts like free agents in Bowe and Jennings.
Defense isn't the issue. But every player on this offense needs to be replaced.
I'm so glad you aren't a Met fan.
This team offensively has worse talent than the Kotite days and is probably slower on defense from those teams. I can confidently say that all the "weapons" on that 1-15 Jets team could beat out the skill players on this team. That is grounds to get fired as a a GM.
96 Jets offense vs today's Jets
This is truly sad and painful to watch. A fan of any team should not got through this kind of misery twice in lifetime
PSD's Sheldon Richardson!!!
Tannenbum needs to be fired sooner rather then later. I don't care what he has done in the past he has brought this team down a dark and painful road we didn't need to go down. We made a left turn when we shoulda kept going straight and he is driving the car on this mission to no where. I don't have faith or trust the guy as GM of this team anymore, I don't think he is capable of fixing this problem because he is the one who started it. A new GM needs to come in and fix this mess,Someone get Bill Polian on the phone
Im a huge HUGE Wayne "greenlantern" Chrebet fan but sorry Holmes is more talented. Chrebet was a gritty Wr who would get you 1st downs. Chrebet is the better story the better team player. The short slow WR who nobody heard of. This is why he is great!
Holmes on the other hand is DIVA wr who puts himself before the team. He is also a WR who can take it to the house on a 5 yard slant.
Adrian Murrell better than greene? I dont think so. Although a Murrel/Greene combo would be pretty bad ***.
Murrell's problem was that he danced in the hole too much.
Kyle Brady? Really? that guy sucked ***. Could have had Warren Sapp. Kyle Brady is one of the biggest Jets bust right besides Blair Thomas and Vernon Gholston.
I dont like Sanchez but Odonnel? Come on man!!! Id take Sanchez over O'donnel..Heck give me Rosey!!
Rob Moore never played under Kotite. Ron Moore did but I think you meant Keyshawn Johnson. Either way yes Keyshawn is/was much better than Hill. Keyshawn was also a first round #1 pick.
Keyshawn is Braylon Edwards. I would call that a wash.
no arguement on Anderson. He was an ok blocker and very good catching passes out of the backfield.
I know the 2012 Jets are bad...But not nearly 1996 bad.
Last edited by GreenLantern; 12-25-2012 at 05:57 PM.
"The Butt of all jokes"
Could not disagree more with the analysis of the offensive side of the ball.
You blame Sanchez yet if you take away the QB position and evaluate our current roster: in terms of WR, TE, RB and OL there isn't a roster constructed with less talent in the NFL.
I'm sure you'll point to injuries to Keller and Holmes but every team in the NFL gets hit with injury bug and the problem is with Tannenbaum the Jets are relying far too heavily on players that aren't performing at a high enough level for what their role is and there is a complete lack of depth within the Jets.
WRs- One of the worst if not the worst WR core in the NFL. As we've seen we rely on Santonio Holmes far too much in the passing game. At best he's an average #1 WR and great #2 WR. Anyone after Holmes on our roster is a #3 option at best right now (Please don't tell me Jeremy Kerley is a #2 WR after this season) yet look at our current receiving core.
How many times this year do we see the Jets WRs not winning the 1 on 1 battle? It's actually pretty pathetic and embarrassing.
It's beyond obvious we don't have enough talent at WR.
RB: Sean Greene hasn't shown he's a number 1 running back at all. The guy is clearly a #2 back in the league. Powell shows potential of being a #2 in the league and Mcknight could develop into a solid 3rd down running back.
Yet this is the core we rely on for a "ground and pound mentality." Again, we're asking for Greene to do more than he's capable of. At best greene is a good #2 option for a ground and pound team and nothing more.
Again, we don't have enough talent at RB.
There is no answer at RB on our current roster. I don't feel remotely comfortable with these 3 again.
TE- Dustin Keller has always been extremely inconsistent in terms of receiving yet he has NEVER been a good pass protector/ run blocker. Despite Keller having the worst season of his career, the running game and pass protection also suffered because we didn't have an extra guy to send in to pass protect or someone who could hold his own in the running game.
We rely far too heavily on Keller who has always been an inconsistent receiver with limited blocking skills.
OL- In my eyes average. Could use fine tuning but certainly isn't getting any help from having the worst skill position players in the NFL.
QB- Steve Young said it best. What a joke of a way to develop a franchise QB. Surround him with a revolving door of talent. Each year the skill position players are worse than the last. But at the same time Sanchez doesn't step up, show a spark and say I'm not going down like this, instead he seems to accelerate the bad which is painful to watch.
How Tannenbaum handled Sanchez alone may be enough to warrant his firing.
1) The amount of money we spent on Tebow was a complete waste. It could have been used to fill other needs, while using Jeremy Kerley in the wild cat package.
2) Only Rex Ryan and some jets fans are delusional enough to think that bringing Tebow onto this team after what a circus we became the previous year was a good idea and could somehow work.
3) The splitting of time/snaps was a complete failure. No other teams in the NFL do this why us ?
4) Most GMs that draft a QB that high, especially QBs as inexperienced as Sanchez would make him a priority and surround him with weapons instead of feeding him to the wolves with a mediocre RB core, a highly inconsistent TE, and a WR core that's not only been defined as cancerous to the locker room but also loses talent as the years passes.
Last edited by MSG34; 12-26-2012 at 11:16 AM.
For anyone who wants to kill Tanny for drafts, please take a look at Bill Parcell's selections in 1997, 1998 & 1999. Seriously, take a look. Here's a link if you like:
Parcells drafts were pretty much awful, and yet many in the media want to bring him back now. He benefitted from a brilliant season from Vinny Testaverde (who he signed as a backup), and is somehow considered to be their savior for 2013. Even his 2000 draft, where he had four 1st rounders, could be considered to be a disappointment.
If you take a look at Tanny's drafting record, the killers were Gholston, Sanchez, & Ducasse. Of the 3, the only bad selection was Ducasse, as it was a total reach. Gholston was a bust, but was projected to go right where they picked him, and they needed a pass rusher. I'm pretty much a Sanchez hater, but that was a great move Tanny made in 2009. They needed a franchize QB, and they picked a guy almost everyone loved. Just like 99% of other Jet fans (and the media), I thought it was a great move.
Yes, Tanny did not draft skill guys high in the draft, so instead he went after proven players in free agency. Holmes, Thomas Jones, LT, T-Rich, Edwards, Plax, Mason. Some of it didn't work out, but the results would have been much better if there was a quality QB in place the last 4 years.
Tanny drafted a bunch of quality players on defense. He did not have a lot of high 1's to work with since the team has had decent records during his run. His best opportunities to hit home runs were the Sanchez and Gholston picks, and again, they were not bad selections.
I'm not even hating the Tebow move. It is obvious to me that they counted on Sparano to know how to run an effective wildcat / option offense, but we have all learned that he was not qualified to do so. Everyone knows that Rex wouldn't know how to use Tebow, and that he doesn't even have a positive impact on the offense. They just obvioulsy picked the wrong guy to be OC, a position that demands creativity. Hiring Sparano: bad. Trading for Tebow: incomplete
This team does not need a new GM, or a new coach (although I would certainly welcome Polian, a definite upgrade.) This should be the wish list for next year:
- Hire a creative / quality OC.
- Obatain a quality QB. I say trade for Flynn, and include Sanchez in the deal. (I consider Flynn to have the largest upside out of any QB who might be available to them for next year.) Then let Flynn & McElroy battle it out.
- Sign Edwards & Keller. That gives us Holmes, Edwards, Hill, Kerley, Keller & Cumberland. Enough good pass catchers there.
- Obtain pass rushing LB. Probably 1st rounder in the draft. This player then starts with Harris, Davis & McIntyre.
- Obtain a starting quality RT.
- Sign Landry, & move Wilson to safety.
- Obtain a home run type running back, maybe in the 2nd round. Let Greene walk, keep Powell.
Tanny can pull all of this off. He will make moves that make sense, and if some of it doesn't work out, he will get killed for it. I think he has done a pretty good job, and that he & Rex deserve another year to turn it around. But Rex must have a quality guy to run the offense.
Who are the true impact players in the NFL who were drafted since 2006? Of these, who was available to the Jets when they selected? (Ignoring surprises / gems like Russell Wilson.) Except for Ducasse, the Tanny team has made solid selections. Nothing like the Parcells disasters, or the absolutely horrendous decisions during the Mike Hickey / Joe Walton years, or even during Dick Steinberg's run.
Review the 2006-2012 drafts, and let us know what Tanny should have done instead? Gronkowski over Wilson in 2010? Sure, but who knew? Chris Johnson over Gholston in 2008? Yes, but that was not the correct move. Tanny is the scapegoat now, but one can argue that he is the most effective draft organizer the Jets have had since the early 80s.
All of the following were good or great picks / value based on where they were drafted: Brick, Mangold, Brad Smith, Leon Washington, Drew Coleman, Revis, Harris, Stuckey, Keller, Lowery, Greene, Slauson, Wilson, McKnight, Wilkerson, Ellis, Powell, Kerley, McElroy, Coples, Hill, Davis, Bush, Allen. Obviously, we need to see the 2012 class one more year to gauge the value. Yes, these years have been slanted toward the D, but a bunch of solid guys on O as well. If Sanchez became what he was projected to become, there would be nobody questioning Tanny's record.
One more year.
The guy has nothing going for him, he put us cap hell which I thought the cap was his specialty, he cant draft for **** constantly trading pick to move up for players that are not worth it, always drafting project players super high....nah man this guy gotta go dont even bother demoting him just fire him!
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As for his other drafts, James Farrior, Dedric Ward, Leon Johnson, Jason Ferguson, Jason Fabini, Randy Thomas, and Ryan Young were all contributors here.
The problem is with Tanny's drafts is the value in many cases is not there in terms of production. If not for Sanchez's contract, is it out of the realm of impossible to believe that the entire 2009 draft (Sanchez, Greene, Slauson) will NOT be members of the NY Jets next year? Your 2012 draft, half the picks were gone or practice squad before the season began. 2010, Conner is gone, Ducasse should be gone, McKnight is a kick returner, and Wilson, once Revis and Trufant get back, could be the #4 CB.
Last edited by ccugrad1; 12-26-2012 at 01:42 PM.
PSD's Sheldon Richardson!!!
Just like Isaiah Thomas did to the Knicks, Mike T has put the Jets in cap- hell. He's the only one responsible for throwing big money at mediocre talents. Jetsforever started this thread defending Tanny. Maybe you should be exiled along with him. How can you say the offense isn't bad? Did you even watch the season and read the roster the whole season. Some high-school teams have more talents on offense than the jets. Then you or someone went on to defend the Sanchez pick and said McElroy was a "great pick" in the seventh round. First , sanchez was a very bad pick. Thought so then and I think so now. How can you trade up for a qb who only play one year as a freshman. No experience and probably still immature especially to be in 'New York. McElroy was a just a descent back up or third string qb pick. He had one touchdown drive against Arizona and you labeling him "great"? C'mon man.