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    Two observations/questions from a Nets fan

    Didn't wanna post in NBA forum in fear of backlash against the Knicks fans haha but:

    1. Are the Knicks the deepest team in the NBA?

    Last few years teams like Denver would easily be the answer but this year I've been very surprised. With Copeland becoming a regular rotation player, Priggy actually turning out to be a legitimate NBA player (unlike Teletovic), Rasheed still having life in those legs, this team looks scary good WITHOUT Amare, Shumpert, and Camby.

    2. Are the Knicks (kind of) playing a D'Antoni style offense?

    Mike Woodson is known for his defense but its the OFFENSE that is winning games this year. Most threes in the league (probably), run and gun with Kidd/Felton/Priggy, lots of extra passing. Damn, if I didn't know better I would think it's still D'Antoni running this team.
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    MDA influenced offense??? Yes
    Are we running SSOL??? NO

    We are a half court team centered around Melo and Felton/TC pick&roll. We embrace the three, but we don't play uptempo at all. We took the best of MDA's offense and chucked the garbage(see LA).

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    We look for the best shot while MDA looks for the first Shot, total different mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyPalahniuk View Post
    Didn't wanna post in NBA forum in fear of backlash against the Knicks fans haha but:

    1. Are the Knicks the deepest team in the NBA?

    Last few years teams like Denver would easily be the answer but this year I've been very surprised. With Copeland becoming a regular rotation player, Priggy actually turning out to be a legitimate NBA player (unlike Teletovic), Rasheed still having life in those legs, this team looks scary good WITHOUT Amare, Shumpert, and Camby.

    2. Are the Knicks (kind of) playing a D'Antoni style offense?

    Mike Woodson is known for his defense but its the OFFENSE that is winning games this year. Most threes in the league (probably), run and gun with Kidd/Felton/Priggy, lots of extra passing. Damn, if I didn't know better I would think it's still D'Antoni running this team.
    1. Knicks are probably top 3 in depth. Every player on the roster can play and contribute meaningfully in any NBA rotation.

    2. Woodson is still running D'Antoni's offensive sets, but at a slower pace and with some of his own wrinkles. The Knicks aren't looking to push the tempo like D'Antoni wanted, but rather using D'Antoni's genius ways of getting good open shots and making defenses stretch until they break. The thing that has really made the whole thing work is having plenty of low turnover, ball handling playmakers on the team. It makes it very difficult for teams to try to "get the ball out of one player's hands".

    Grunwald has done a great job of assembling good fitting pieces together to make the system work.

    ALSO: The Knicks scouts have been doing a great job of finding talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksFan4Years View Post
    1. Knicks are probably top 3 in depth. Every player on the roster can play and contribute meaningfully in any NBA rotation.

    2. Woodson is still running D'Antoni's offensive sets, but at a slower pace and with some of his own wrinkles. The Knicks aren't looking to push the tempo like D'Antoni wanted, but rather using D'Antoni's genius ways of getting good open shots and making defenses stretch until they break. The thing that has really made the whole thing work is having plenty of low turnover, ball handling playmakers on the team. It makes it very difficult for teams to try to "get the ball out of one player's hands".

    Grunwald has done a great job of assembling good fitting pieces together to make the system work.

    ALSO: The Knicks scouts have been doing a great job of finding talent.
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    I think Woodson not being a good offensive coach is a myth. This guy coaches both ends of the floor very well, I always thought he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strahan92osi72 View Post
    I think Woodson not being a good offensive coach is a myth. This guy coaches both ends of the floor very well, I always thought he did.
    It definitely is, people want to say we are just running MDA's offense tweaked are wrong. We are running Woodsons offense tweaked, the offense that had the Hawks the second best in the league the year he left.

    He borrowed from MDa, but we are not running SSOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anji View Post
    It definitely is, people want to say we are just running MDA's offense tweaked are wrong. We are running Woodsons offense tweaked, the offense that had the Hawks the second best in the league the year he left.

    He borrowed from MDa, but we are not running SSOL.

    100% agree. Woody finally getting the recognition he deserves as a coach. Being in a low key environment like Atlanta can do that. Great move for him coming to NY and showcasing his coaching abilities.

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    funny thing is you mention a player who may not even dress in a few weeks.

    We will have soon Amare, Iman, Sheed, Camby, all not playing available soon.

    And in Novak, JR, Pablo, and thats 12 who are allowed to dress, leaving White, Cope, and thomas all have contributed this year as well.

    I'm not sure you can point to any othe team where players 11-15 have contributed more.



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    I don't think having Melo, Kidd, Novak, Felton, Cope, all shooting over 40% from three hurts Woody either lol



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    I think anyone thinking a coach will get guys to move the ball like a championship team without the right personnel is crazy. Every coach preaches ball movement. Kidd and co. are the ones who get the most credit. Woody has done a terrific job nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    I think anyone thinking a coach will get guys to move the ball like a championship team without the right personnel is crazy. Every coach preaches ball movement. Kidd and co. are the ones who get the most credit. Woody has done a terrific job nonetheless.
    Woody deserves some credit, D'Antoni's offensive sets are still $$$ when adjusted for the roster, but we really can't understate the impact of having Jason Kidd on the team.

    He's the definition of a player/coach.

    Our play without Jason Kidd is actually visible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksFan4Years View Post
    1. Knicks are probably top 3 in depth. Every player on the roster can play and contribute meaningfully in any NBA rotation.

    ALSO: The Knicks scouts have been doing a great job of finding talent.
    Who else is in the top 3?

    Yes they have! The Nets have too but it's their star players and coach not living to their potential ahhhh.


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    Woody deserves some credit, D'Antoni's offensive sets are still $$$ when adjusted for the roster, but we really can't understate the impact of having Jason Kidd on the team.

    He's the definition of a player/coach.

    Our play without Jason Kidd is actually visible.
    I actually posted something similar to this repeatedly in the NBA forum and maybe here in the off-season - Kidd and Camby would make a HUGE difference to the team. Everyone overlooked it. Hurts seeing my favorite player of all time on the Knicks but still rooting for him (except against us). That (almost) 4 point play last game was surreal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyPalahniuk View Post
    Who else is in the top 3?

    Yes they have! The Nets have too but it's their star players and coach not living to their potential ahhhh.




    I actually posted something similar to this repeatedly in the NBA forum and maybe here in the off-season - Kidd and Camby would make a HUGE difference to the team. Everyone overlooked it. Hurts seeing my favorite player of all time on the Knicks but still rooting for him (except against us). That (almost) 4 point play last game was surreal.
    In regard to the Nets (and I have had the opportunity to watch much this year) it just seems deron is not right. He's playing through injury and for how it sounds he won't be 100% until next year. It kinda sound like Melo last year. I know people also laugh at all us knicks fan who kept saying you need time to work out chemistry and figure out missing pieces but its true. Small slump for the Nets but I got a feeling there will be Knicks nets playoff series which would be cool.

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