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    2 years/14 mil for Liriano?? Jeez...especially from the Pirates, that's shocking. Glad we didn't get suckered into that one.

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    That's a pretty good deal money-wise, not so sure about the 2 years though. He's still young though and his stuff is nasty. He should thrive in the NL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    That's a pretty good deal money-wise, not so sure about the 2 years though. He's still young though and his stuff is nasty. He should thrive in the NL.
    Just got flashbacks of praising the Ollie Perez deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Norwegian View Post
    Just got flashbacks of praising the Ollie Perez deal...
    Except Ollie got 3/$36M and averaged 91.2 MPH on his fastball, while Liriano got 2/$14M and averages 93 MPH on his fastball. He gets more swings and misses because his stuff is/was better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry777 View Post
    But..we don't need starters...right?
    We're stacked 1-5 for 2013, no help needed. lol

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    Pavano bombed in the Bronx but has been a very serviceable starter. I'd take a chance on him.

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    $7m a year for a guy coming off a 5.30 ERA? The Pirates seem to be cornering the market on overpriced underperforming has beens. Speaking of which what were Pavano's recent stats? CYoung looks like a better choice. What's Ben Sheet's status?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Except Ollie got 3/$36M and averaged 91.2 MPH on his fastball, while Liriano got 2/$14M and averages 93 MPH on his fastball. He gets more swings and misses because his stuff is/was better.
    That Ollie deal will forever prevent this franchise from ever signing a starter to anything 12+ million per season. They offered Dickey 20 million for two seasons coming off a Cy Young campaign. Please someone explain to me that Ollie contract after you look at his 2008 numbers? Why did they give him that much of a raise for being mediocre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdg515 View Post
    $7m a year for a guy coming off a 5.30 ERA? The Pirates seem to be cornering the market on overpriced underperforming has beens. Speaking of which what were Pavano's recent stats? CYoung looks like a better choice. What's Ben Sheet's status?
    4.34 FIP and 9.59 K/9. He has a high upside, and I think the change of scenery of the NL will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdg515 View Post
    $7m a year for a guy coming off a 5.30 ERA? The Pirates seem to be cornering the market on overpriced underperforming has beens. Speaking of which what were Pavano's recent stats? CYoung looks like a better choice. What's Ben Sheet's status?
    As our #4 or #5 he'd be guy to give you 200+ innings, give up a ton of hits with an ERA around 4.50

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    Quote Originally Posted by SILVER SEAVER View Post
    That Ollie deal will forever prevent this franchise from ever signing a starter to anything 12+ million per season. They offered Dickey 20 million for two seasons coming off a Cy Young campaign. Please someone explain to me that Ollie contract after you look at his 2008 numbers? Why did they give him that much of a raise for being mediocre?
    Big game Ollie. He was nice in 2007 though, he was still young at the time and no one thought he'd fall off a cliff velocity-wise. It's very easy to judge bad contracts after the fact.

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    The Pirates are hoping that they get similar results to what they got from Burnett. Problem is that Liriano just walks too damn many guys.

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    I can't see why the Mets don't take a chance on Jair. Guy was a promising pitcher (who might still have some promise left), is young, and would probably cost less then someone like a Pavano or Liriano (who has since signed for a 2 year 14 million deal )

    Not to mention, Citi Field could be a huge boost for him as well. Maybe some Mets fans have more knowledge as to why there hasn't been a lot of word on him?

    Lets just say he was to become at least 75-80% of what some thought he could be, a rotation of Wheeler, Harvey, Niese, Jair could be killer. Who cares about the fifth spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees90. View Post
    I can't see why the Mets don't take a chance on Jair. Guy was a promising pitcher (who might still have some promise left), is young, and would probably cost less then someone like a Pavano or Liriano (who has since signed for a 2 year 14 million deal )

    Not to mention, Citi Field could be a huge boost for him as well. Maybe some Mets fans have more knowledge as to why there hasn't been a lot of word on him?
    He sucks that's why. Turner Field=Citi Field really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    He sucks that's why. Turner Field=Citi Field really.
    Yeah, but I would still think he has a chance at becoming at least a solid middle of the rotation starter. Maybe a change of scenery and some new coaching?
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