Liriano Sigs with Pirates, Pavano also on Sandy's list

[Beltrans Mole]

2 years/14 mil for Liriano?? Jeez...especially from the Pirates, that's shocking. Glad we didn't get suckered into that one.

[YoungStuna28]

That's a pretty good deal money-wise, not so sure about the 2 years though. He's still young though and his stuff is nasty. He should thrive in the NL.

[Angry Norwegian]

That's a pretty good deal money-wise, not so sure about the 2 years though. He's still young though and his stuff is nasty. He should thrive in the NL.

Just got flashbacks of praising the Ollie Perez deal...

[YoungStuna28]

Just got flashbacks of praising the Ollie Perez deal...

Except Ollie got 3/$36M and averaged 91.2 MPH on his fastball, while Liriano got 2/$14M and averages 93 MPH on his fastball. He gets more swings and misses because his stuff is/was better.

[SILVER SEAVER]

But..we don't need starters...right?

We're stacked 1-5 for 2013, no help needed. lol

[SILVER SEAVER]

Pavano bombed in the Bronx but has been a very serviceable starter. I'd take a chance on him.

[rdg515]

$7m a year for a guy coming off a 5.30 ERA? The Pirates seem to be cornering the market on overpriced underperforming has beens. Speaking of which what were Pavano's recent stats? CYoung looks like a better choice. What's Ben Sheet's status?

[SILVER SEAVER]

Except Ollie got 3/$36M and averaged 91.2 MPH on his fastball, while Liriano got 2/$14M and averages 93 MPH on his fastball. He gets more swings and misses because his stuff is/was better.

That Ollie deal will forever prevent this franchise from ever signing a starter to anything 12+ million per season. They offered Dickey 20 million for two seasons coming off a Cy Young campaign. Please someone explain to me that Ollie contract after you look at his 2008 numbers? Why did they give him that much of a raise for being mediocre?

[YoungStuna28]

$7m a year for a guy coming off a 5.30 ERA? The Pirates seem to be cornering the market on overpriced underperforming has beens. Speaking of which what were Pavano's recent stats? CYoung looks like a better choice. What's Ben Sheet's status?

4.34 FIP and 9.59 K/9. He has a high upside, and I think the change of scenery of the NL will help.

[SILVER SEAVER]

$7m a year for a guy coming off a 5.30 ERA? The Pirates seem to be cornering the market on overpriced underperforming has beens. Speaking of which what were Pavano's recent stats? CYoung looks like a better choice. What's Ben Sheet's status?

As our #4 or #5 he'd be guy to give you 200+ innings, give up a ton of hits with an ERA around 4.50

[YoungStuna28]

That Ollie deal will forever prevent this franchise from ever signing a starter to anything 12+ million per season. They offered Dickey 20 million for two seasons coming off a Cy Young campaign. Please someone explain to me that Ollie contract after you look at his 2008 numbers? Why did they give him that much of a raise for being mediocre?

Big game Ollie. He was nice in 2007 though, he was still young at the time and no one thought he'd fall off a cliff velocity-wise. It's very easy to judge bad contracts after the fact.

[Sick Of It All]

The Pirates are hoping that they get similar results to what they got from Burnett. Problem is that Liriano just walks too damn many guys.

[Yankees90.]

I can't see why the Mets don't take a chance on Jair. Guy was a promising pitcher (who might still have some promise left), is young, and would probably cost less then someone like a Pavano or Liriano (who has since signed for a 2 year 14 million deal )

Not to mention, Citi Field could be a huge boost for him as well. Maybe some Mets fans have more knowledge as to why there hasn't been a lot of word on him?

Lets just say he was to become at least 75-80% of what some thought he could be, a rotation of Wheeler, Harvey, Niese, Jair could be killer. Who cares about the fifth spot.

[YoungStuna28]

I can't see why the Mets don't take a chance on Jair. Guy was a promising pitcher (who might still have some promise left), is young, and would probably cost less then someone like a Pavano or Liriano (who has since signed for a 2 year 14 million deal )

Not to mention, Citi Field could be a huge boost for him as well. Maybe some Mets fans have more knowledge as to why there hasn't been a lot of word on him?

He sucks that's why. Turner Field=Citi Field really.

[Yankees90.]

He sucks that's why. Turner Field=Citi Field really.

Yeah, but I would still think he has a chance at becoming at least a solid middle of the rotation starter. Maybe a change of scenery and some new coaching?