Not just the HC and GM will change

[Suns4ever67]

We really need to draft a RB pretty high this year. Can't expect Mathews to play a whole season and can't got with Battle or another scrub to fill in. Without a balanced attack (or threat of one) Rivers is still going to get punished. I think a lot of QBs are going to go early in the second round, so we might be able to trade down with our 2nd round pick for a 2nd and a late 3rd maybe and get that RB I'm talking about.

So many needs on this team, but we really need to address the offense this year, and maybe add 1 or 2 picks for the defense.

[Hometown Hero]

We really need to draft a RB pretty high this year. Can't expect Mathews to play a whole season and can't got with Battle or another scrub to fill in. Without a balanced attack (or threat of one) Rivers is still going to get punished. I think a lot of QBs are going to go early in the second round, so we might be able to trade down with our 2nd round pick for a 2nd and a late 3rd maybe and get that RB I'm talking about.

So many needs on this team, but we really need to address the offense this year, and maybe add 1 or 2 picks for the defense.

I know everyone is looking for an RB and with the way Matthews has been on and off the field I understand why. Battle should stay around and we will find someone else but we need to address the Oline first. We need at least two new Tackles and one or two interior lineman to start and add depth.

Let's fix the foundation of the house before we look to add a new roof!

[friarfan07]

^ great point. as i mentioned, the poor o-line play single-handedly cost aj and norv their jobs, rivers his all-pro play, and mathews any shot at a breakout, as if his clavicles didn't already do that anyway.

i want a better runner, for sure, but as you say, we need a line. adrian peterson would struggle finding open space with this current bunch of large underachievers.

[Suns4ever67]

Agreed, that's why if we find a tackle and/or a guard in FA, we'll draft a RB either 2-4. I'm not sure we even drafted a RB last year, and the year before it was a late pick. I just go into the mindset of, if we lose Mathews the whole year (which is not a stretch), could we be satisifed with what we have or pick up in the 5th round or later? I say, big no. Throw in Mathews flare for fumbling . . . .

[Hometown Hero]

The big thing is a good team is well rounded. We have had some horrible drafts over the past few years and have been inactive in free agency. Also, we have not been resigning key players (VJ) (DS) so we have some holes to fill. Last year we focused on D and overlooked the offense. It may be a long road back but we need to be well rounded in the draft and while we work on our o-line which will contribute to our passing and run game we should not ignore our defense. Our pass D is our problem. Since we grabbed Ingram in the first last year I say we support him with a solid CB in the second. Grab a lineman in the first and then go back to D in the second and then back to the O maybe an RB or interior lineman but be balanced.

BTW... I am open to interviewing for the GM position but we need to schedule this soon because I am planning on a surf trip in feb.

[Suns4ever67]

That's why I suggested signing Marcus Trufant, which would eliminate our need to draft a CB high. Our sack numbers were down this year and we got thrown on a ton. We seemed to get more presssure on the QB in the first half than the second. That's why I flipped a CB in the second to a LB, since we'll likely see Mouton and English (2 top picks that washed out) seeing the door before next season.

[friarfan07]

lol. mouton. it's funny to see what aj smith said about him when he was drafted in the 2nd round:

“I’m told I can’t find one person who thought the linebacker [Michigan's Jonas Mouton] we took in the second round … wasn’t a fifth- or sixth-round guy. Well, I’ve found one guy. Me. He’s a second rounder here.”

-San Diego general manager A.J. Smith, to Nick Canepa of the San Diego Union Tribune.

if he's a 2nd rounder here, no wonder your drafts have been garbage since '06!

[gattaca]

I honestly thought that the Mouton pick was good. Saw him play a lot. I was convinced. Just being honest.

[Hometown Hero]

That's why I suggested signing Marcus Trufant, which would eliminate our need to draft a CB high. Our sack numbers were down this year and we got thrown on a ton. We seemed to get more presssure on the QB in the first half than the second. That's why I flipped a CB in the second to a LB, since we'll likely see Mouton and English (2 top picks that washed out) seeing the door before next season.

We just drafted a pass rush specialist in the first round last year. Are you talking about an inside line backer because what our D needs help with is pass defense. Coverage and pass rush and since we will have Ingram, Barnes, Johnson and Hopefully Phillips who lead our team in sacks this year.

Jammer is coming to the end of his contract as well and will be 34 next year. He also got beat bast faster receivers all year. He is a solid tackler and I would like to see him try to transition to SS like Barber did in Tampa but we need some solid coverage guys.

We can get Trufant but he will be 33 next year. Cason isn't playing bad but we need a long term fix with Jammer having his 34th birthday next year and being up for a new contract. The reality is it really depends on who is available when it is our turn to pick but I think we have depth at LB.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...hargers/page/2

[gattaca]

We just drafted a pass rush specialist in the first round last year. Are you talking about an inside line backer because what our D needs help with is pass defense. Coverage and pass rush and since we will have Ingram, Barnes, Johnson and Hopefully Phillips who lead our team in sacks this year.

Jammer is coming to the end of his contract as well and will be 34 next year. He also got beat bast faster receivers all year. He is a solid tackler and I would like to see him try to transition to SS like Barber did in Tampa but we need some solid coverage guys.

We can get Trufant but he will be 33 next year. Cason isn't playing bad but we need a long term fix with Jammer having his 34th birthday next year and being up for a new contract. The reality is it really depends on who is available when it is our turn to pick but I think we have depth at LB.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...hargers/page/2

no doubt. our d-line and linebacking are set for awhile. No need to pick someone in the first 4 rounds to fill something there

[friarfan07]

We just drafted a pass rush specialist in the first round last year. Are you talking about an inside line backer because what our D needs help with is pass defense. Coverage and pass rush and since we will have Ingram, Barnes, Johnson and Hopefully Phillips who lead our team in sacks this year.

Jammer is coming to the end of his contract as well and will be 34 next year. He also got beat bast faster receivers all year. He is a solid tackler and I would like to see him try to transition to SS like Barber did in Tampa but we need some solid coverage guys.

We can get Trufant but he will be 33 next year. Cason isn't playing bad but we need a long term fix with Jammer having his 34th birthday next year and being up for a new contract. The reality is it really depends on who is available when it is our turn to pick but I think we have depth at LB.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...hargers/page/2

no doubt. our d-line and linebacking are set for awhile. No need to pick someone in the first 4 rounds to fill something there

a 3-4 always needs a new LB, and our current team is no exception. shaun phillips = free agent. takeo spikes = retirement. we also need a better pass rush. our need is clearly on o-line, but on the d-line we could use an upgrade at NT, ILB, and OLB (pass rush). i'm just not sure we attack it in full this year with so many other glaring holes.

[Suns4ever67]

a 3-4 always needs a new LB, and our current team is no exception. shaun phillips = free agent. takeo spikes = retirement. we also need a better pass rush. our need is clearly on o-line, but on the d-line we could use an upgrade at NT, ILB, and OLB (pass rush). i'm just not sure we attack it in full this year with so many other glaring holes.

Totally agree. To add more fuel . . . when you bring in people in the middle of the season to play ILB when Butler went down and they take away time from Mouton and others on the roster, you are thin there. Mouton's value right now is only on special teams, and when you can't get any playing time as a 2nd rounder, time to cut ties. When you draft project players in the 1st and 2nd round, you are drafting based on value, not necessarily need like last year and itpaid off handsomely. The previous years, drafted totally on need and ended up with tons of reaches.

We need to get off our butts and sign a GM already, so we can sign a coach, who can assemble his staff. If not, we are going to be no better in the draft and FA when AJ was here.

[NYJetsfan69]

Don't mean to come in here and poke, but I'm looking for Charger's fans perspective. Jets management has supposedly already talked about trying to trade for Rivers.

As Chargers fans do you want him back? and I guess more importantly how do you feel about your roster as a whole? Do you feel you are a few changes away from beating Manning or would it be best to hit the reset button after a decade of dominating the west, so that you can reclaim your stranglehold when Manning retires?

As a Jets fan, I feel our QB has held us back and we have a core that with Rivers we could win ball games. While AJ screwed you guys with letting players go, our GM screwed us by overpaying to keep anyone he thought had talent. So we do have some things in place just not a QB.

That being said, I was wondering if you guys were open to trading Rivers how the following trade sounds. If you don't like it, please tell me what you think would be fair. I am about reality and not trying to screw anyone. I also know that for this to happen, you probably have to want to be more inclined to hitting reset on the franchise for a year. But anyway here it goes:

Rivers ($17.11 cap hit)

for

Mark Sanchez ($12.83 cap hit)
#9 pick in the 2013 Draft
Conditional 2nd round pick 2014 draft (upgrades to a first if the Jets have a winning season aka 9-7+)
4th round pick in 2014

My basis for the trade was a combination of the Cutler and Palmer trades.
-I went with an added 4th instead of 3rd because Rivers is 31 years of age versus Cutler being 25 at the time of the trade
-I made the conditional 2nd round pick easier to upgrade to enhance the save face factor of trading away the franchise QB. For the Bengals to get a 2nd first, the Raiders had to make the divisional round of the playoffs. Here I am not even asking for the Jets to make the playoffs, just a winning season.

I know Sanchez blows, but if you were to trade with us, it is the only way the numbers would work. Even then, the trade is set up for the Chargers to save about $4.5 million in cap space. And you can walk away from Mark after 2013 and save another $8-9 million. You also would have a very good shot at Johnny Football in 2014 if he comes out with extra picks as trading ammo.

We won't get a shot at Johnny Football because with Revis coming back, I'd expect us to be 6-10 to 8-8 which won't be bad enough. And we don't have a trading chip for picks because the fans will kill our owner if he lets the GM even think about trading Revis. Plus he is coming off a major injury anyway, so what could we possibly get. (His contract expires after this season so we couldn't even use him in a trade in 2014).

So at the end of the day, you guys most likely walk away with $4.5 million in cap space, 2 first round picks, and a 4th. You will have 2 firsts in 2013 and 2014, which could help provide a solid youthful foundation to dominate the West once Manning retires. And we don't have to watch Revis, Mangold, D'brick, Harris, Cromartie, and Holmes who are age 28 rot while we play QB shuffle. I think it works out for both teams, please let me know what you think.

I would like to have a discussion, not a bashing. I think I was fair, seeing as I'm willing to potentially give up 2 first round picks for a guy who doesn't have his whole career still ahead of him like RG3 who fetched 3 first round picks. But if its not a fair offer, please explain why?

Thanks guys

[Hometown Hero]

Don't mean to come in here and poke, but I'm looking for Charger's fans perspective. Jets management has supposedly already talked about trying to trade for Rivers.

As Chargers fans do you want him back? and I guess more importantly how do you feel about your roster as a whole? Do you feel you are a few changes away from beating Manning or would it be best to hit the reset button after a decade of dominating the west, so that you can reclaim your stranglehold when Manning retires?

As a Jets fan, I feel our QB has held us back and we have a core that with Rivers we could win ball games. While AJ screwed you guys with letting players go, our GM screwed us by overpaying to keep anyone he thought had talent. So we do have some things in place just not a QB.

That being said, I was wondering if you guys were open to trading Rivers how the following trade sounds. If you don't like it, please tell me what you think would be fair. I am about reality and not trying to screw anyone. I also know that for this to happen, you probably have to want to be more inclined to hitting reset on the franchise for a year. But anyway here it goes:

Rivers ($17.11 cap hit)

for

Mark Sanchez ($12.83 cap hit)
#9 pick in the 2013 Draft
Conditional 2nd round pick 2014 draft (upgrades to a first if the Jets have a winning season aka 9-7+)
4th round pick in 2014

My basis for the trade was a combination of the Cutler and Palmer trades.
-I went with an added 4th instead of 3rd because Rivers is 31 years of age versus Cutler being 25 at the time of the trade
-I made the conditional 2nd round pick easier to upgrade to enhance the save face factor of trading away the franchise QB. For the Bengals to get a 2nd first, the Raiders had to make the divisional round of the playoffs. Here I am not even asking for the Jets to make the playoffs, just a winning season.

I know Sanchez blows, but if you were to trade with us, it is the only way the numbers would work. Even then, the trade is set up for the Chargers to save about $4.5 million in cap space. And you can walk away from Mark after 2013 and save another $8-9 million. You also would have a very good shot at Johnny Football in 2014 if he comes out with extra picks as trading ammo.

We won't get a shot at Johnny Football because with Revis coming back, I'd expect us to be 6-10 to 8-8 which won't be bad enough. And we don't have a trading chip for picks because the fans will kill our owner if he lets the GM even think about trading Revis. Plus he is coming off a major injury anyway, so what could we possibly get. (His contract expires after this season so we couldn't even use him in a trade in 2014).

So at the end of the day, you guys most likely walk away with $4.5 million in cap space, 2 first round picks, and a 4th. You will have 2 firsts in 2013 and 2014, which could help provide a solid youthful foundation to dominate the West once Manning retires. And we don't have to watch Revis, Mangold, D'brick, Harris, Cromartie, and Holmes who are age 28 rot while we play QB shuffle. I think it works out for both teams, please let me know what you think.

I would like to have a discussion, not a bashing. I think I was fair, seeing as I'm willing to potentially give up 2 first round picks for a guy who doesn't have his whole career still ahead of him like RG3 who fetched 3 first round picks. But if its not a fair offer, please explain why?

Thanks guys

With all due respect I really don't want Sanchez and I hope this trade is not in the cards. Sanchez will most likely be a free agent next year as I would be surprised if anyone is willing to take a $12 cap hit for a QB that has proven he is at the most a work in progress.

Rivers production has dropped the last two years but it is now clear to everyone that he had a awful O-line. Rivers is probably the least mobile QB in the league so couple that with a horrible O-line and you get what you got. That is why AJ and Norv are goners. All talk in SD is about rebuilding the line to help Rivers and our struggling run game.

Obviously it will be up to our new GM but I honestly do not see a Rivers Sanchez trade coming down the road. Manning is a great QB but we revamp our line and we will beat him just like we used to. Check Manning's passer rating against the Chargers all time (81.4). Manning does not scare us at all!

[Hometown Hero]

a 3-4 always needs a new LB, and our current team is no exception. shaun phillips = free agent. takeo spikes = retirement. we also need a better pass rush. our need is clearly on o-line, but on the d-line we could use an upgrade at NT, ILB, and OLB (pass rush). i'm just not sure we attack it in full this year with so many other glaring holes.

We could use an upgrade everywhere but we need to be selective. Our problems were on our O-line on offense and our pass D on defense. Help at ILB would primarily assist the run D which is not where we need help.

If you are just saying we need upgrades there I agree but we need to prioritize our needs in FA and the draft. 1st LT, 2nd CB or G, 3rd G or CB. Then we can look at other positions but these are our glaring holes!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ry-spot/page/5