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    Post-Dickey Trade: A look at the Farm, and the Infirmery!

    I for one, was initially upset with the quality of prospects required to land Dickey. No doubt this was a huge cost to the Jays farm system, however, we're all in now.. so the time was right.

    Lots of people are concerned about the quality of our farm system after these two trades. From a "Top 20 prospects" on MLB.com perspective, I can see how the average fan could get a little caught up in the Farm Depletion thought. We gave up a number of highly rated prospects this offseason, that much is true. But when you abandon the traditional definition of what makes a guy a Prospect, I think we're still looking pretty good.

    We have a few very valuable pieces that are not considered "PROSPECTS" but will be in the farm systems, and have a chance to make an impact on the Major-League club in 2013 and beyond.

    The "Non-Prospects":

    CF Anthony Gose - Received too many at-bats to be considered for the ROY award now, but is certainly still a prospect (if not in the conventional sense of the term). He has a very high upside if he figures things out with the stick. Even if he doesn't, he could likely bunt .300 with his blazing speed.
    If he were included in our top prospect rankings, he'd have been right behind D'Arnaud, and likely in the top 25-30 in the league. If any of our OF starters get hurt, he'll be the guy.

    RP Aaron Loup - Looked great in his 2012 debut and could easily end up in the 2013 bullpen if Oliver doesn't return. He's not considered a prospect either, but he looks like he could be a very valuable late inning lefty if he continues to improve.

    RF Moises Sierra - Also lost his rookie eligibility, but could still be a solid power-hitting RF down the road. 6HRs in his first 147 ABs in the majors is pretty good for a guy who finally looks to be tapping into his power potential. He could make an impact as a 5th outfielder this season.

    RP Sam Dyson - Groundball guy with a power slider, he could be a useful bullpen piece in the event of an injury. it's good to have this type of guy stashed at AAA to fill a need.

    1B David Cooper - This kid never gets enough credit. While he likely won't become more than a bench bat or replacement level player, I like his ability to hit line-drives and not strike out. If Lind sucks it up early, I say give this kid a chance to DH until the trade deadline. Doesn't hold much trade value, but could contribute in the event of an injury.

    SP Chad Jenkins - He is by no means a can't miss guy. But he pitched fairly well for the Jays in limited action last year. His 3 starts were decent, and if needed, he could take a turn or two in the rotation to fill in for one of our starters. Might be an option for the bullpen when all is said and done.

    The "Infirmary" (Injured/non-prospect)

    SP Drew Hutchinson - Prior to his injury he was holding his own in the MLB, as a 21 year old. Coming off Tommy John surgery, we can't expect much from him in 2013, except perhaps as a second half injury replacement. On the other hand, he could be ready to nab a rotation spot again by 2014.
    The kid was a top prospect prior to 2012 and if he had pitched 9 innings less in the bigs, he'd likely still be in our top 5 prospects.

    SP Kyle Drabek - After a second TJ surgery, it's hard to know what Drabek could give us going forward. If he can make a healthy recovery, he could still impact the rotation picture. He's gotta get right, find some command, and prove he is worthy.. but I'm not willing to give up on Drabek just yet.

    RP Luis Perez - The lefty is likely to need some time to rehab after, you guessed it, TJ surgery. He was a great lefty in the pen before getting injured. if stashed in AAA he could be a big help in the second half of the season.

    SP Dustin McGowan - I know.... i know... But if this guy ever gets healthy, he could be productive. There MUST be a reason that the jays are willing to devote a 40-man roster spot to the ever injured McGowan. I'm hoping he gets right and finally stays healthy. Then his performance will dictate whether he is a big-leaguer or not.

    We clearly have some other talent.

    So looking beyond the major-league roster at a few of the guys that aren't "prospects" that could still make a pretty big impact on the Jays..I'm beginning to worry less about all the prospects we gave up this offseason.

    Go Jays Go

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    AA did add that Thole and Nickeas catching R.A. was big factor. AA watched knuckleball documentary and didn't want catcher struggling.

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    The fact that all the trades AA has made knocks Drabek and Hutchinson back to the minors is something that def shouldn't be overlooked. I for one can't be happier that they wont be rushed back to the big club and can actually have a chance pitch in a real AAA ballpark where they wont get hammered like they would have in Vegas.

    They've obviously decided that Sanchez is (hopefully) going to be the best of the big 3. If Syndergaard doesn't master that breaking pitch then you can kiss the idea of him as a top-of-the-rotation starter goodbye. He'll be one hell of a closer though...

    Osuna, Stroman, and Nolin are all still good pitching prospects, but the one that I'm keeping my eye on is Smoral. It would be real nice if he developed into a legit power lefty
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    Yeah it is nice that we seem to have some quality pitching prospects in the system still. I too think Smoral could be a dark horse guy to be in our top 5 by next year.

    It would be nice to find a way to acquire more high quality BATS in the minors.

    I wonder if we could bring in a guy like Matt Adams (1B) from the Cardinals for example.

    Regardless I'd like to see some position player depth in the high minors brought in ASAP.

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    It makes you realize just how good are farm was before all these trades. It's still pretty good, middle of the pack probably.

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    A nice college power bat at the 10th pick in the draft would be nice. Kris Bryant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaysFan87 View Post
    A nice college power bat at the 10th pick in the draft would be nice. Kris Bryant!
    I had no idea that the Jays took him in the 20th round in 2010. Better think AA will be after him again if he drops.

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    absolutely, aa would take bryant at 10 without question.
    i think we still have a top 9-13 farm, but im biased.

    Things will always work out in the end, but if you want them to turn out a certain way... You need to make it happen.

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    im sure were in the low 20's now. but i dont mind as long as we bring the world series title back to toronto

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    Quote Originally Posted by nithanyo View Post
    im sure were in the low 20's now. but i dont mind as long as we bring the world series title back to toronto
    Some scouting service still had the Jays in the top 15, can't remember who it was though, Parkes maybe? If you're in the top 10-15 after giving up Nicolino,Hech,Syndergaard,TDA and Marisnick, your GM is doing something right. I'm confident AA will restock the farm like he always does and get this team back in the top ten. There's still plenty of arms in the system and people keep forgetting that. The lack of position players must be addressed at some point.

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    Unreal....

    AA has been at the helm for 3 years now, he's works hard and now he's put a championship calibre team but people are still *****ing!

    This team for the most part i think will be intact for some more years to come and the farm will also continue to develop.

    Like i said before ... If all this brings home a championship then that's all that matters.

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    You still have hope in McGowan hahahaha. As if last year wasn't enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halladay View Post
    Some scouting service still had the Jays in the top 15, can't remember who it was though, Parkes maybe? If you're in the top 10-15 after giving up Nicolino,Hech,Syndergaard,TDA and Marisnick, your GM is doing something right. I'm confident AA will restock the farm like he always does and get this team back in the top ten. There's still plenty of arms in the system and people keep forgetting that. The lack of position players must be addressed at some point.
    Something to watch for is all the IFA talent we've signed the last 3 years too. They have the chance to start making a big impact in the next few years.
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    AA is looking like a genius, and backing up everything he said he would do. He stockpiled prospects, and then used them to build a roster that should be able to contend for an extended period of time.

    We now have several players under contract at far less then market value, and have built a contending team without paying anyone 20+M/yr..(at least for another couple seasons assuming we hang onto Reyes for more then 2 years and don't flip him before his contract peaks).


    People need to realize that a great farm system isn't needed nearly as much when the big league team is willing to spend like the Jays are now. The long term goal wasn't to have the #1 farm system, the long term goal was to win another world series. All we need to do is keep drafting well, and we will be fine over the long term. We still have plenty of good young prospects to groom over the next few years while we have this juggernaut of a roster locked up.

    What about next off season? We could finish the year with a AAA rotation of:

    Hutchison
    Drabek
    Nolin
    Jenkins
    McGuire

    with guys like Stroman, Stilson, Dyson, Crawford, Cecil, Carreno and Magnuson in the bullpen. We should still be primed to make another upgrade or two to the big league roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    AA is looking like a genius, and backing up everything he said he would do. He stockpiled prospects, and then used them to build a roster that should be able to contend for an extended period of time.

    We now have several players under contract at far less then market value, and have built a contending team without paying anyone 20+M/yr..(at least for another couple seasons assuming we hang onto Reyes for more then 2 years and don't flip him before his contract peaks).


    People need to realize that a great farm system isn't needed nearly as much when the big league team is willing to spend like the Jays are now. The long term goal wasn't to have the #1 farm system, the long term goal was to win another world series. All we need to do is keep drafting well, and we will be fine over the long term. We still have plenty of good young prospects to groom over the next few years while we have this juggernaut of a roster locked up.

    What about next off season? We could finish the year with a AAA rotation of:

    Hutchison
    Drabek
    Nolin
    Jenkins
    McGuire

    with guys like Stroman, Stilson, Dyson, Crawford, Cecil, Carreno and Magnuson in the bullpen. We should still be primed to make another upgrade or two to the big league roster
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    In theory we could. Everything rarely goes right though. There are always unexpected setbacks and progression. We could also finish the year with a guy like Romero in the AAA rotation as well. I expect him to bounce back, but it is just an example of what "could" happen.

    I would say AA and AAA still look quite thin, but there is reason to believe that will change in a year or 2.

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