End of the day they gave up that much for a 38 year old knuckleball pitcher.... Silly
The REAL PWW World Champion and The Champ Of Champs
And by the way it wasn't just a Cy Young winner it was one for three years at 10 million a year, easily one of the best bang for your buck deals in the league. For a team that just added about 40 million to pay roll this is a deal you just can't pass up.
Last edited by LanceUpperCut; 01-21-2013 at 04:41 PM.
I've never said prospects never bust. To do so would be ignorant. To say a prospect can bust is irrelevant because when you assess their value on the trade market, you do so based on their projections. That is how you ascertain what their value is at the current time.
To say a prospect can bust is so ridiculous because any player can be a bust. Look at Jon Lester, for example. He was one of the best starters in the American League and last year he was a huge flop.
Any player or prospect can have their career take a turn for the worse. They can walk outside and get hit by a bus tomorrow, but it doesn't factor into their value today. See where I'm going with this? Their value is not about predicting the future, but assessing their value currently.
But the value the Mets got in return doesn't change and the trade is still based on future projections of the specs involved. That's the only way to determine comparable value at the time the trade is being made.
We got a soon to be 24 year old catcher who is the second best catching prospect in baseball and a very good young pitcher with top of the rotation ability.
You are measuring it from a win now perspective and yes in the short term the Blue Jays got the better of the deal, but long term these two guys provide the Mets with a foundation to rebuild and find longer term success in the future.
Last edited by metswon69; 01-21-2013 at 04:43 PM.
Personally I think both teams made a good trade and in 3-5 years we'll know who "won."
Again that chance of bust falls higher for mets for obvious reasons- which is all I'm debating.
Players and prospects are currency on the trade market. Think about it this way; The Mets got more valuable assets than they give up (even if you don't want to acknowledge it, just play along). What if they turned them around and got fair value for those assets in a trade with a third team, like Justin Upton for example. Then it wouldn't matter what those prospects may turn into individually. That's kind of the point people are trying to make to you.
PS: Don't get distracted and try to analyze the likelihood of the Mets getting Upton for those same prospects, it was merely an hypothetical scenario to illustrate the point being made.
I haven't commented too much on this deal.
That's mainly because I think it's a good deal for both sides. No clear winner.
The Jays get a great front end, top 20 pitcher in the game for pennies and got him to a team friendly deal that minimizes risk.
The Mets get solid prospects at important positions for one year of Dickey who wasn't going to do them any good this next season any way.
I like the deal for both sides. The Jays gave up some good prospects, but it's okay considering what they got and the position of their team.
So that's why I haven't said much. When a deal is so even, I don't really comment on it
Personally, I think the Jays overpaid but sometimes, you have to overpay if that's what it takes to put you over the top. I think this is the right move for the Jays considering Dickey is the only high caliber pitcher that was available and we can afford $ wise.
You know what I'm talking about- I'm trying to justify my thinking through this. We gave the mets our top prospects to take on Dickey. The purpose of the trade is to achieve the main goal, which the Jays have a better chance at now then say in however many years it takes them to develop into what they might become. I'm saying this based on how old Bautista or Edwin will be (I'm assuming at this point they are going to be a very significant pieces). Should the goal be achieved (playoff berth maybe a WS) then I believe whatever value was traded away is no longer relevant since that value would not have brought a playoff berth or possible WS today. It's been said many times, time will tell.
dw, I got that.