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\r\n Signing Cody Ross doesn\'t win you the East either. The Nationals are superior and younger team than us, so signing an above average RF for over market value doesn\'t jump you over those guys. To me the "clutch" thing with him is absolute nonsense. Over a large enough sample size a guy will perform to his statistical norm especially in an individually driven sport like baseball. This team is competing for the wild card and can absolutely do so with a little bit of luck and things breaking their way. We improved our BP, filled our hole in CF, and signed a decent 3B guy to hold the fort. Another SP is a smarter investment that Ross to me.
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There is thing called basketball go on google and search the images of it okay.... When you do just picture Carmelo doing anything possible with it...... After that picture someone who does every single one of those things better.... That\'s Kevin Durant.
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why don\'t you add charisma and friendship, I think those are two other top qualities an NBA player can have next to "loving others for who they are".
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There is thing called basketball go on google and search the images of it okay.... When you do just picture Carmelo doing anything possible with it...... After that picture someone who does every single one of those things better.... That\'s Kevin Durant.
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why don\'t you add charisma and friendship, I think those are two other top qualities an NBA player can have next to "loving others for who they are".
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\r\n A-Team, do you believe the pitchers you mentioned to be a bigger upgrade than the Phils adding Swisher?\r\n
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\r\n IBR - I don\'t. However, I think the odds of the Phillies offering Swisher a contract are close to zero. Everything I\'ve heard leads me to believe they are unwilling to give up the 16th pick and pay the contract he is asking for. He also appears to be outside their budget.
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IBR - I don\'t. However, I think the odds of the Phillies offering Swisher a contract are close to zero. Everything I\'ve heard leads me to believe they are unwilling to give up the 16th pick and pay the contract he is asking for. He also appears to be outside their budget.
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Wondering if this impacts RAJ\'s decisions? We could see a short term transition period from old core (Rollins, Utley, Howard, etc) to slightly younger core (Brown, Galvis, Asche, etc) by 2014-15. That could partially explain the focus on pitching since home grown pitching depth is so hard to develop. The really tricky part is maintaining competitiveness at the same time\r\n
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That\'s 3 role/bench players. Any core is going to come from outside of the organization at this point.\r\n
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\r\n If we plan to enter the season with Kendrick, Cloyd, and Lannan as our bottom of the rotation guys. We might as well get Swisher for the offense, and he can pitch garbage innings after Kendrick & Lannan. Swisher can pitch from the stretch, like he showed in Chicago or NY.
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I hopped on the Dylan Cozens train a few days ago. I would love for him to be ready by 2014-15, but he\'s a two sport athlete that has just committed to baseball full-time and is only 18.
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I would probably guess Cozens would be ready between 2016-2017 at some point. He is still very raw and based solely on body type, he may be forced to switch defensive positions at some point which could theoretically slow his development. He has the athleticism to play outfield, but if he puts too much muscle/weight on he might be forced to 1B.
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There is thing called basketball go on google and search the images of it okay.... When you do just picture Carmelo doing anything possible with it...... After that picture someone who does every single one of those things better.... That\'s Kevin Durant.
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why don\'t you add charisma and friendship, I think those are two other top qualities an NBA player can have next to "loving others for who they are".
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\r\n lets be real here. Swisher is a no go. Not worth the money or the 16th pick. Cody Ross? Thats a waste of 9m. I for one would only trade for a player down the road if needed. Let Ruf play LF. Brown play RF. Ravere CF. Let Mayberry backup all 3 spots. The wild care is not whether Brown can play. But if Ruf can play LF and hit 25-30 hrs. Now you have something. At least with Ravere out there, he can help out Ruf.\r\n
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I\'m seeing that Eithier is available possibly through trade. Is there any chance we go after him? I personally don\'t think so because he will cost too much, but rumor is that the Dodgers want either Bourn or Swisher to replace him.
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Costs a fortune, will cost us quite a few more prospects, and Ethier is a left handed bat. The guy is signed through 2018 on a mammoth contract no thank you that would really strap the Phillies.\r\n
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\r\n I personally hope we sign Swisher. 1st round picks in the major leagues are total crap shoots. Fact is Swisher hits for average, power, and most impressively can really get on base. Guy has one of the better eyes in the majors drawing a ton of walks. I really wish earlier in the off-season that Willingham deal had gone through though. That said get it done with Swisher! I agree about Ross not that much an improvement over what we already have.\r\n
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Im sorry I just dont see how an injury risk pitcher is more valuable then an everyday 5 hole hitter. i really think you guys are selling Ross short because of what he did to the phillies in 2010. Either that or you guys really over value Dom Brown\'s upside.
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Or you\'re overrating Ross because of what he did to the Phillies in 2010?
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Amaro just said he is happy with a double platoon in outfield. Get ready for another long summer of low scoring baseball..........LEE and HALLADAY deserve better from this organization
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Amaro just said he is happy with a double platoon in outfield. Get ready for another long summer of low scoring baseball..........LEE and HALLADAY deserve better from this organization
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Both platoons are projected to perform similarly to Ross. They\'re certainly more volatile (as I\'ve explained in past posts), but given the other elements on the roster, I think there\'s something to be said for finding out in 2013 if Brown and Ruf are the long term corner OFers.\r\n
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I think its time for Amaro to GO.
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IF you fire RAJ and then brown/ruf work out, the 8th inning gets locked down or lee/halladay return to form how would you feel then?
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All I got out of that was IF......So what IF the offense struggles again and they dont win because they have no right handed power. And at end of year you lose utley ruiz halladay and young.
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pn[24945513] = "24945478,24946215";
pn[24946215] = "24945513,24951866";
pn[24951866] = "24946215,24953312";
pn[24953312] = "24951866,24953425";
pn[24953425] = "24953312,24945626";
pn[24945626] = "24953425,24945698";
pn[24945698] = "24945626,24954398";
pn[24954398] = "24945698,24953473";
pn[24953473] = "24954398,24954382";
pn[24954382] = "24953473,24954640";
pn[24954640] = "24954382,24956549";
pn[24956549] = "24954640,24954433";
pn[24954433] = "24956549,24956835";
pn[24956835] = "24954433,24956984";
pn[24956984] = "24956835,24958111";
pn[24958111] = "24956984,24958325";
pn[24958325] = "24958111,24958673";
pn[24958673] = "24958325,24963196";
pn[24963196] = "24958673,24963272";
pn[24963272] = "24963196,24963388";
pn[24963388] = "24963272,24967169";
pn[24967169] = "24963388,24967349";
pn[24967349] = "24967169,24967371";
pn[24967371] = "24967349,24967706";
pn[24967706] = "24967371,24968257";
pn[24968257] = "24967706,24970365";
pn[24970365] = "24968257,24969475";
pn[24969475] = "24970365,24971765";
pn[24971765] = "24969475,24973460";
pn[24973460] = "24971765,24976097";
pn[24976097] = "24973460,24976311";
pn[24976311] = "24976097,24976228";
pn[24976228] = "24976311,24976295";
pn[24976295] = "24976228,24976300";
pn[24976300] = "24976295,24976305";
pn[24976305] = "24976300,24976318";
pn[24976318] = "24976305,24976787";
pn[24976787] = "24976318,24977264";
pn[24977264] = "24976787,24977405";
pn[24977405] = "24977264,24978082";
pn[24978082] = "24977405,24978121";
pn[24978121] = "24978082,24978056";
pn[24978056] = "24978121,24979845";
pn[24979845] = "24978056,24979470";
pn[24979470] = "24979845,24990810";
pn[24990810] = "24979470,24992596";
pn[24992596] = "24990810,24993942";
pn[24993942] = "24992596,24995551";
pn[24995551] = "24993942,24998441";
pn[24998441] = "24995551,24998713";
pn[24998713] = "24998441,25000495";
pn[25000495] = "24998713,25004981";
pn[25004981] = "25000495,25015483";
pn[25015483] = "25004981,25016610";
pn[25016610] = "25015483,25016697";
pn[25016697] = "25016610,25016810";
pn[25016810] = "25016697,25018076";
pn[25018076] = "25016810,25016846";
pn[25016846] = "25018076,25021867";
pn[25021867] = "25016846,25023546";
pn[25023546] = "25021867,25118750";
pn[25118750] = "25023546,25121473";
pn[25121473] = "25118750,25123418";
pn[25123418] = "25121473,25177801";
pn[25177801] = "25123418,25178055";
pn[25178055] = "25177801,25178673";
pn[25178673] = "25178055,25178976";
pn[25178976] = "25178673,25196046";
pn[25196046] = "25178976,25196052";
pn[25196052] = "25196046,25197409";
pn[25197409] = "25196052,25196445";
pn[25196445] = "25197409,25196656";
pn[25196656] = "25196445,25196738";
pn[25196738] = "25196656,25197647";
pn[25197647] = "25196738,24769663";
// cached usernames
pu[0] = guestphrase;
pu[176746] = "Flyers01";
pu[9092] = "The A Team";
pu[23877] = "Havoc Wreaker";
pu[21670] = "Ruthian";
pu[10588] = "Philsforever";
pu[60337] = "k_dol50";
pu[58443] = "BigLee53";
pu[44858] = "papirico52";
pu[101925] = "METMANYAK";
pu[141250] = "TheIlladelph16";
pu[10545] = "geo21874";
pu[24053] = "IBleedRed(duh)";
pu[26855] = "Mandrew";
pu[47516] = "CityofTreez";
pu[43178] = "phillyfan1";
pu[228218] = "SJSF";
pu[49525] = "LLMunchie619";
pu[18248] = "ryguy553";
pu[121942] = "djmar";
pu[14546] = "bball44016";
pu[12145] = "koldjerky";
pu[21481] = "phillies1980";
pu[28959] = "Dark Donnie";
pu[28572] = "Synyster89";
pu[43544] = "bowan1228";
pu[36278] = "bdinella";
pu[43410] = "philliesdoc";
pu[46774] = "SPEF311";
pu[18095] = "phillyeaglesman";
pu[57686] = "MMC1710";
pu[232142] = "cujoO\\\'Mall";
pu[77347] = "Dugmet";
pu[209438] = "illadelphia1";
pu[181819] = "11MVPPatBurrell";
pu[9522] = "PhillyRocks";
pu[26542] = "ScoPo18";
pu[232537] = "axstone26";
pu[10043] = "Ender";
pu[17672] = "philsphan123";
pu[43001] = "More-Than-Most";
pu[24244] = "Fred";
pu[29926] = "FLYER-FAN";
pu[18541] = "jc27";
pu[62350] = "Bajecco";
pu[233097] = "kdaddy72";
pu[207725] = "AussieDoc";
pu[33400] = "sexicano31";
pu[19980] = "sev66";
pu[57394] = "PhillyBronco08";
// -->
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Who is this starting pitcher everyone wants that thinks is a major upgrade? I dont see any on the free agent market that is an upgrade over what they have.