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  1. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by con_artist View Post
    Believe me, I'm no JPA fan but I've posted this before from DrunkJaysFans and it actually paints a different picture before he went down at the end of July



    Obviously those stats only go until about July 31 but that's still pretty encouraging stuff.
    A 97 wRC+ is still below the pre-determined average of 100 making him, still, a below-average hitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13Lawrie13 View Post
    A 97 wRC+ is still below the pre-determined average of 100 making him, still, a below-average hitter.
    I get that, but at least it would make him less of a black hole in the lineup like his end of the year stats suggest.

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    I don't mind keeping JPA, he seems to be a good guy in the club house and having a power bat at the end of the line up is a good thing to have. You can't be too greedy with an 8th hitter in the lineup who will put up 20+ HR each year most likely.

    Also, Im very pleased with this dickey trade.
    Morrow and johnson have had injury problems in the past, this gives up a lot of top pitching depth in case some injuries come back which killed this team last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanyo View Post
    I would have given up JPa and thrown in Dan Norris or something.

    JPA, Norris, Syndergaard.

    Kept D'Arnaud.
    I doubt they would have

    And by the way, those pants, they belong to my dad.And they're not really pants,
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    Comment taken off the ESPN message board:

    "I guess his name is now R.EH. Dickey"

    I lol'd

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    Quote Originally Posted by con_artist View Post
    I get that, but at least it would make him less of a black hole in the lineup like his end of the year stats suggest.
    Oh, no doubt. I certainly understand what you're saying and I would obviously rather have him hit slightly below-average, than well below-average. I'm just saying that, even at his best, J.P. was still a below-average hitter.

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    so I guess this changes the whole "no one wants to play in Canada" bit...just takes a bit of spending for players to want to be happy here...hmmmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13Lawrie13 View Post
    Alright, I don't think anyone needs to be reminded that J.P. is below-average defensively (-12.1 catcher defense rating over 2-and-a-bit seasons), so I'll just focus on the offensive (or overall in the case of WAR) side of the game.

    Of the 25 catchers last season with at least 350 plate appearances, here is how J.P. ranks:

    19th in WAR (18th in WAR per plate appearances).
    18th in wRC+ (this is the best hitting stat out there, and J.P. had an 89 wRC+ with the average hitter pre-determined at 100).
    18th in wOBA
    24th in BB%
    3rd in K% (this isn't a good thing).
    10th in BsR (fangraphs base-running stat, which would be good if J.P. weren't still a negative contributer in this category).
    7th in ISO.
    He's above-average in one offensive ability; power. That's it. Overall, he is below-average both at the plate, and behind it.
    For all of the advance metric guys. How would Pat Borders rank? I'm getting the feeling that you guys want all-star at every position. Not going to happen.

    Take solice in the fact that JPA is a good club house personality. I'll take him as my 8th or 9th hitter, with his OK defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymfan87 View Post
    Comment taken off the ESPN message board:

    "I guess his name is now R.EH. Dickey"

    I lol'd
    Been said a lot on twitter already, as well as many clever puns about Johnson and Dickey at the top of the rotation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIUMPHATOR View Post
    For all of the advance metric guys. How would Pat Borders rank? I'm getting the feeling that you guys want all-star at every position. Not going to happen.

    Take solice in the fact that JPA is a good club house personality. I'll take him as my 8th or 9th hitter, with his Horrible defence.
    corrected.

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    Dickey
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    Morrow
    Romero

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13Lawrie13 View Post
    He hit better than J.P. last year.

    Who am I kidding though, like you said, he's a personality in the clubhouse; who cares if he's not very good at playing baseball?
    He didn't hit better than JPA in his time with the Giants

    In his 50+ games, he hit .219 / .287
    JPA hit .233 / .275

    Pence got on base more, but JPA hit better. Also, I included Brandon Crawford + Theriot in the equation.

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    maybe the jays draft a catcher this year...

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    I think people really need to get over the whole JP sucks thing.. yeah he is pretty bad on both sides of the ball but you really cant expect to have an above average player at every rotation spot or position

    We had the 2nd best 1B in the game last year in Encarnacion
    We have a top 5 SS in Jose Reyes
    It is safe to assume that Lawrie should at least be a top 10 3B this year if not better
    We have a top 3 RF in Jose (with Stanton and Heyward)
    We have a LF who finished 6th in WAR despite missing 50 games

    That is a top player at 5 of the 9 positions

    This leaves DH, CF, 2B and C

    I still believe Rasmus has something in him and could rebound
    Lind sucks but the offseason is still young
    I believe Izturis and Bonafacio will do a fine job playing 2B

    This leave JPA.. I think we can totally afford to carry him with the lineup and rotation we have. It really isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be

    Anything you get him is bonus.. and that means the usual 20+ HRs
    Last edited by bomber0104; 12-17-2012 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    He didn't hit better than JPA in his time with the Giants

    In his 50+ games, he hit .219 / .287
    JPA hit .233 / .275

    Pence got on base more, but JPA hit better. Also, I included Brandon Crawford + Theriot in the equation.
    Then figure in that outfielders are relied upon to hit. Catchers not so much (though the Giants defied this logic with Buster behind the plate)

    Nevertheless, Pence was more of a black hole than JP due to position.

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