Loyalty in the MLB

[Jeffy25]

If you're asking me in particular, I have no idea. I do not know his situation other than the fact they were extremely patient during his rough times with drugs and alcohol. I do think that should have been strongly considered on his part when making his decision.

I'm sure it was.

He was also booed by the Rangers fans at the end of last season and likely not offered nearly as much money.

[mtf]

They can do what ever they want at this present moment of the game because the fans allow them to have this power. If they simply stopped watching, you would see things change very quickly.

I don't think you've yet answered why you feel upset at the athlete if he chooses to play elsewhere when he becomes a free agent instead of directing that meaningless anger at the organization he left who didn't make a better offer.

[floater]

If you're asking me in particular, I have no idea. I do not know his situation other than the fact they were extremely patient during his rough times with drugs and alcohol. I do think that should have been strongly considered on his part when making his decision.

oh please, texas was as patient as any other team would have been for a player that was putting up his numbers and leading the team to the type of success it was having. nothing special about what texas did.

[thefeckcampaign]

oh please, texas was as patient as any other team would have been for a player that was putting up his numbers and leading the team to the type of success it was having. nothing special about what texas did.

As someone who has dealt with drug addicts and alcoholics in both family and business, I beg to differ.

[thefeckcampaign]

I don't think you've yet answered why you feel upset at the athlete if he chooses to play elsewhere when he becomes a free agent instead of directing that meaningless anger at the organization he left who didn't make a better offer.

I never said anything but taking it on a case by case basis.

[floater]

As someone who has dealt with drug addicts and alcoholics in both family and business, I beg to differ.

what has texas had to deal with though? his infamous drug issues were long before his texas days. by the time he got there he had already had a solid season with CIN and his main issue was health, not drugs.

[mtf]

I never said anything but taking it on a case by case basis.

Are there 3 cases within the past 5 years in which you think would illustrate your point rather well then?

[misterd]

I grew up with guys like Chipper Jones, Craig Biggio, Todd Helton, all sticking with they're teams for the long haul. That's the way it should be in my book.

What is wrong with this generation of players? Are you guys a fan of hopping ships from one rival to another like these guys do today? Guys leaving their teams for more money.

Examples of guys leaving for rivals:

Josh Hamilton to the Angels from the Rangers
Johnny Damon to the Yankees from the Redsox
CJ Wilson to the Angels from the Rangers

Example of franchise players leaving for better money:

Albert Pujols to the Angels from the Cardinals

It seems like the guys that we once cheered and loved always take the money over loyalty these days.

Do you guys have a problem with this or is it just me? Nothing's stranger then seeing your franchise guy leave town for more money.

1. I heard these complaints when Chipper Jones was a prospect. Not a generational thing.

2. There is little reason for player to show loyalty to teams that, thanks to the draft and CBA, essentially owned them and had total control over their careers.

3. Why does no one ever complain about teams that turn their back on players?

4. Pro athletes are competitive. If they weren't they wouldn't succeed at their jobs. They want to win. Losing night after night, year after year, isn't fun, no matter the money. Every organization goes through highs and lows, but some seem incapable or unwilling to do what they need to do to win. Why would a player want to stay with that team?

5. The "stick with the team that gave them an opportunity" argument is sketchy at best. Most players are with a team because they were drafted by them. If they weren't, they were not going to go work at Home Depot. They would have been taken with the next draft pick, and played for a different team. Sure there are some exceptions, but few of them are superstar players.

[thefeckcampaign]

Are there 3 cases within the past 5 years in which you think would illustrate your point rather well then?

I don't time nor the patience to look this up. If you really want my opinion on this, give me ton of examples with all the facts and I'll give you my opinion.

[thefeckcampaign]

3. Why does no one ever complain about teams that turn their back on players? .

I have. It just appears more towards the player lately.

[thefeckcampaign]

what has texas had to deal with though? his infamous drug issues were long before his texas days. by the time he got there he had already had a solid season with CIN and his main issue was health, not drugs.

Just like an addict is always in recovery, someone involved with them is always dealing. Think how TX had someone with him 24/7 and yet he still fell off the wagon. Though may seem minor, they used non alcohol Champaign when celebrating.

[Jeffy25]

I don't time nor the patience to look this up. If you really want my opinion on this, give me ton of examples with all the facts and I'll give you my opinion.

That is not how this works.

He asked you for literally only 3 examples to support your 'case by case' argument, and instead of providing that, you ask for a TON of examples to support his opinion?


If you aren't going to seriously try to discuss this, why should anyone else?

What mtf asked for was more than reasonable.

[thefeckcampaign]

That is not how this works.

He asked you for literally only 3 examples to support your 'case by case' argument, and instead of providing that, you ask for a TON of examples to support his opinion?


If you aren't going to seriously try to discuss this, why should anyone else?

What mtf asked for was more than reasonable.

Stop doing the pile when I pointed out you were wrong. Of course you never admit when you are.

Post #174 onward if you need an example.

[spliff(TONE)]

Fully agree with your point regarding Jeffy, but I'm still not really sure what your overall stance is on this issue. Kinda seems like you've been contradicting yourself here and there.

[thefeckcampaign]

Fully agree with your point regarding Jeffy, but I'm still not really sure what your overall stance is on this issue. Kinda seems like you've been contradicting yourself here and there.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it. Thanks for acknowledging it.

Regarding the main subject at hand, what I am saying is I take each on a case by case basis. There are times I believe either the teams or the players are not being loyal. Both are probably looking at it as strictly business, unfortunately they both are forgetting it is the fans that pay their bills. It just may appear here I'm siding with one side, but that is probably because that particular side is in the minority in this conversation.