Lackey: DNP but it was something like 8 the year before
We have a bunch of guys with ERA's closer to 5.00
Sanchez would be a #1 on this team.
There are no FRONTline starters available. I'd love to hear your best idea on acquiring a Felix/Verlander/Lee/etc.
Jon Lester 9.4 rWAR > Anibal Sanchez 9.0 over the past 3 years.
It's an undeniable fact.
False. Sanchez isn't an ace and 6 years is too long. If he signed for the same money at 3 years here, I'd be all for it.So to say that Sanchez is not an "ace" or that 6 years is overpaying is simply irrelevant.
6 years is too much. That seems to be what the going rate is for decent starters nowadays. But what are our alternatives? The crap-tastic rotation we had last year? We lost out on cheap guys like Pelfrey and Baker, both of whom I would have liked. Greinke is gone to make billions in LA. We can't just "trade for ace."
BY THE WAY Sanchez got a five year deal. The sixth year was a club option...
You also failed to mention that the Sox have had 3 different pitching coaches the past 3 seasons.
Besides, what good will a top ace (not Sanchez who is not and will never be) who is in his 30's when this team isn't a serious WS contender for 3 or perhaps 4 or more years? Going to blow up the farm or over pay for a career mediocrity like Sanchez. Oh yes he is in terms of quality quite middle of the road. There is nothing remotely ace like about him, his stuff, or his career.
Sanchez's best year cannot touch the best year (or in some cases 3 years) of:
The way players are judged includes 3 year windows, it's perfectly valid. You fail to mention Lester, Lackey, and Buchholz have all had 3 different pitching coaches these past 3 years, and all got a lot worse after Farrell left. You also fail to consider Lackey going out and pitching when many of the Ellsbury level of toughness would be sitting or being cut. Lackey's first year here fits very nicely with Sanchez's career, except he pitched almost 20 more innings than Annibell has ever thrown in his career.What about Sanchez vs. the rest of our staff? What about the fact that Lester's numbers have been in an undeniable decline over the last 3 years? Why are you supposing that his WAR from 3 years ago is going to be relevant next year?
Get a better pitching coach, grab Dempster, and improve the pen - all things we could do, and did do.6 years is too much. That seems to be what the going rate is for decent starters nowadays. But what are our alternatives? The crap-tastic rotation we had last year? We lost out on cheap guys like Pelfrey and Baker, both of whom I would have liked. Greinke is gone to make billions in LA. We can't just "trade for ace."
Last edited by bagwell368; 12-18-2012 at 05:43 PM.
Man, I think you're seeing things through some very red-tinted glasses.
Yes, we have had three different pitching coaches - two of them were fired because they couldn't figure out how to get these guys to pitch well. Is it all on the pitching coaches?? So what makes you so sure Juan Nieves is the answer?
People seem to think Farrell has this magic hand that will turn Lester and Buchholz into good pitchers again. Sorry, but I'm really skeptical.
I failed to mention Dempster because he was not on the team last year. I agree he's an improvement.
I'm hopeful Lackey can bounce back and be average or a little above average. But I really don't think we should BANK on that.
You call him "Annibel" but I'm fairly sure he's pitched more innings on average than our friend Clay Buchholz has.... by a fair amount.
And look, I never ever said Anibal is an "ace" by any stretch, he's not an absolutely tremendous, can't-miss pitcher. But he's good. I am saying he's an improvement over what we have, and there is no possible way to just obtain an ace. So are we trying to stay afloat and contend next year or are we rebuilding?
If we are rebuilding, then we should trade Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz, Bailey, and anyone else who might have some prospect-value to someone.
Lester pitches in the much tougher division/league, difference in ballpark dimensions is quite significant as well.
He's definitely a lot better. Going into 2012 nobody on earth would've said Sanchez is as good. One year makes you say he has been for 3 years? No he has not been, and he isnt. I'm done talking about this because you don't know how next year will play out. If Sanchez is as good as Lester this year then go ahead and bring this up again.