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    Why does Amaro refuse to spend on offense?

    This has been bothering for a few years. All of RAJ recent big signings have all been pitchers. I know he wants to build around pitching however what good is pitching when you score 2 runs a game. This team has proven over the last 3 years that they are lacking on the offensive end yet Amaro has done nothing to improve the offense except add low cost players. The year the Phillies won the World Series they won with offense yet they refuse to spend money on a legit offensive player. Please help me understand this train of thought.

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    look at Ryan Howard's contract and then tell me Amaro refuses to spend on offense.

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    that was 3 yrs ago, what has he spent recently?

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    Who did you want him to spend the money on? He went out and got Pence when we needed a bat and he thought Dom Brown was gonna be able to come up and be solid

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironman9518 View Post
    Who did you want him to spend the money on? He went out and got Pence when we needed a bat and he thought Dom Brown was gonna be able to come up and be solid
    Werth-Before letting him hit free agency
    Dunn-not Howard
    Beltre-not Polly

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    Werth-Before letting him hit free agency
    Dunn-not Howard
    Beltre-not Polly
    Dunn....really

    why because he hit 41 HR last year? he hit .204 and struck out 222 times.

    i'll agree with you on Beltre, though. he's legit.

    but Dunn....that's pretty laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyeaglesman View Post
    Dunn....really

    why because he hit 41 HR last year? he hit .204 and struck out 222 times.

    i'll agree with you on Beltre, though. he's legit.

    but Dunn....that's pretty laughable.
    Howard hit 219 and was on pace to strikeout just as much or maybe more....Oh yea and he makes 20 plus mill a year. Dunn 4 years 56 mill

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    Werth-Before letting him hit free agency
    Dunn-not Howard
    Beltre-not Polly
    Dunn is basically an older white version of Howard with a god awful batting average how is that an upgrade? He strikes out more than Howard probably and that is saying something. They really did miss on Beltre though. Guy's a monster in Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyeaglesman View Post
    Dunn....really

    why because he hit 41 HR last year? he hit .204 and struck out 222 times.

    i'll agree with you on Beltre, though. he's legit.

    but Dunn....that's pretty laughable.
    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy553 View Post
    Dunn is basically an older white version of Howard with a god awful batting average how is that an upgrade? He strikes out more than Howard probably and that is saying something. They really did miss on Beltre though. Guy's a monster in Texas.
    I guess neither of you looked at the fact that he signed a 4 year 56 million dollar deal? ..He has what 2 years left and like 25 mill? That is why I would have signed dunn because he was a similar player to howard but cost less then half as much as Howard. We could have ate the rest of his contract and signed someone else or traded for someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    I guess neither of you looked at the fact that he signed a 4 year 56 million dollar deal? ..He has what 2 years left and like 25 mill? That is why I would have signed dunn because he was a similar player to howard but cost less then half as much as Howard. We could have ate the rest of his contract and signed someone else or traded for someone else.

    I had to respond to this. Ryan Howard adds much more to a team than Adam Dunn does for baseball reasons that many of us know, and I will not take the time to write out. However, I will say this...there is something to say in building a team with a core of players that have come up through the system. Howard was one of those guys. There is a reason this team is SO likable. A lot of good character and homegrown guys. Compare the likability of the Phillies and the Eagles. Almost no homegrown talent there from the draft...its terrible. The Phillies have become a destination FA's want to come to, and Howard is, maybe a small, reason why they are able to spend the way they do. So for that reason, and that reason alone, Adam Dunn is not in the same league as Howard. It goes beyond the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy553 View Post
    Dunn is basically an older white version of Howard with a god awful batting average how is that an upgrade? He strikes out more than Howard probably and that is saying something. They really did miss on Beltre though. Guy's a monster in Texas.
    More than most has a point. Dunn is significantly cheaper while creating the same production. I've said this numerous times to my friends. Also, PLEASE fact check before you throw info out there. Ryan Dunn and Howard are both 33...dunn is 10 days older...they also have similar strikeout rates....so it's not PROBABLY. Dunn has also had a similar War as Howard...he is basically Howard but 10-15 mill cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironman9518 View Post
    Who did you want him to spend the money on? He went out and got Pence when we needed a bat and he thought Dom Brown was gonna be able to come up and be solid
    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    Werth-Before letting him hit free agency
    Dunn-not Howard
    Beltre-not Polly


    This is what started the Dunn talk....It was asked and I answered and that is where the dunn talk came from before people complain about us being off topic...Were on Topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    Werth-Before letting him hit free agency
    Dunn-not Howard
    Beltre-not Polly
    I hope your not saying Beltre isnt as good as Polanco...his bat is better and his fielding is pretty damn good too. I agree 100% with this guy. Everything is lost cost, low risk, cheap cheap cheap. Hamilton would have obviously made this team better and the favorites in the NL east and he balks at 5 years and loses him to the Angels who last year acquired the top offensive player in Pujols. The angels werent good last year so he tried to improve again. Every time theres an offensive player out there he must be cheap. Im not saying go out and be reckless but once and awhile you have to go outside your comfort zone to make something happen. Amaro takes the fans, and all the sell outs for granted. WE won the division 5 straight years and then last year we werent even close losing out to the Nats and the Braves. And then the Braves get Upton, the Nats get Haren and are still a great team. So you would think Amaro would do whatever it takes to bring in Hamilton to solidify our OF and he gives an offer he knew wouldnt get it done and now theres only Swisher out there who is any good for corner outfield(Cody Ross is weak) and word is that they dont want to pay him what he wants. If they go into the year right now they would not realistically be a division contender, and with barely anyone left it looks like thats what we're going to do. Not to mention we need bullpen help bad! I know you dont want to overpay every high priced FA that comes out that may be a fit, but in this case he dropped the ball big time. With the corner OF looking the way it is, I dont know how they didnt make sure they signed him or Swisher. Im sick of other teams fans always having exciting splashes to look forward to going into the year while we just hope one of our cheap low risk options pans out. And as I been listening to WIP the past week I come to find that most of them think the same thing. Rant/


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    Also not signing Beltran at what the damn cards gave him or even more hell...We were all screaming for that if I remember correctly

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    Ruben spends money where there is a combination of available talent and internal need. It's unfair to critique the Polanco signing because that deal was a steal.

    Prior to this season, there have been few offensive holes for him to fill. He's paid out the nose for Howard, Ibanez, Pence (via trade) and bench bats. But he's also done well to sign Polanco and Rollins to well below market contracts and acquire a couple upside guys like Revere and Young at controlled costs.
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