I am not underestimating their ability your underestimating their age, i think they both can still be productive, but i don't think we will see repeats of that production next year. The other thing is where is the 5 war that Melky gave going to come from? Sure Pence will hit better, but i don't think he will make up the 5 war alone. Not to mention some regression from Pagan, Scutero and maybe even Posey a little. Now before people bring out the rope to lynch me I think he will have a great year next year(baring injury of course) he will still be a 6 war player, but not many guys are able to produce back to back 8+WAR years, and then there are still huge questions around Timmy, I see this team as worse on paper than they were last year.
I think that's the problem a lot of giants fans have with this off season, is that they really haven't improved from last year while everyone else has.
I like the Reds owner. I think the Castellini family is doing an excellent job, re-signing Votto, Phillips, Chapman and so on. I think he's a little stingy about increasing the payroll though.
I don't like our GM, Walt Jocketty though. bad negotiator, backs out of good deals last second, and has a bad habit of doing nothing at the trade deadline when we have obvious needs. although, I'll give him credit for the Choo trade. I think we got an excellent deal.
I think our last GM, Wayne Krivsky, was much better. he got us Phillips and Arroyo for basically nothing.
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They aren't as statistically inclined as I would like but we draft and trade for prospects really well. A couple of moves I have hated over the years was trading Blanco and Tim Collins for Ankiel ( wasn't what we gave up so much but I knew Ankiel was terrible), allowing Melky to be a part of the Javier Vazquez trade, and trading Tex for Kotchman.
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The Cult of Gattis
I love our front office - but until I see results on the field I'm sceptical.
Let's see how 2013 plays out.
Gibbons reaction to the Adam Lind trade
I just think he ignores obvious needs until he gets a lot of pressure from the fans, broadcasters, and maybe even the ownership to do something. he's been here since 2008, we've needed a leadoff hitter the whole time, and he just now got one. everyone puts Dusty down for batting Stubbs leadoff (including me) but Walt Jocketty was content with Stubbs batting leadoff as well.
not to mention, he loves to get his old cardinal players back, although Ludwick actually worked out pretty good.
Bob Castellini was a part owner of the Cardinals before he took over as the Reds owner, so I think thats why he like Walt.
For the most part, yes. For the Howard extension alone, I'd have a serious bone to pick with Amaro, et al.
Hard to complain about five straight division titles, two pennants, and a championship, but I still believe that the window could have been extended if Amaro had done a few things differently. This isn't hindsight talking, either. Moves like trading Howard, retaining Werth, and signing Adrian Beltre were drums I was beating in the moment back in '09/'10.
The Phillies still have a shot at the postseason this year, and should remain competitive indefinitely if for no other reason than they can spend. But I think with a more effective GM, they would be in a better position than they are now.
I wish ownership would hand Friedman a blank check to bring his front office to Philadelphia.
Amaro will do something like getting Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee and you think wow. Just wow. Amazing, great move.
And then he extends Howard for absolutely no reason way too early for top of the market money. It made no sense. And you think. Holy ****, nobody can be this stupid.
He is so hit and miss.
Most of the Phillies core was from Ed Wade and Pat Gillick. But Amaro helped further them along at first. But he really could have extended this window longer. In 3-4 years, the Phillies are very likely going to be very very very bad.
Mostly, my quibbles are with process rather than results. For instance, Amaro has traded a lot of prospects over the last few years to land veteran talent. While pretty much all of those vets have played well and most of the prospects don't appear as though they'll reach their ceilings, it's still early. Regardless, this approach is not sustainable, because it ultimately leads to situations like the 2012 roster: top-heavy, old, injury-prone, and lacking the necessary depth to weather inevitable injuries and/or decline.
Amaro was an assistant to Wade, so he may deserve some of the credit for putting the current core together. But I'm afraid that time may prove your last statement true. The Nationals look like a juggernaut in the making, and the Braves could be if Liberty Media decides to let them spend a little more. Contention is only going to get more challenging.
P.S. Sorry your GM gave Ty ****ing Wigginton two years.