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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddyburch View Post
    How about overestimating? You dont think flat out picking your very young team and coach to walk into New England and do something that has not been done in a decade is overestimating them a bit?
    The odds are stacked against us in this one, but I doubt we get blown out. We are a defensive team, it why we win most our games. I doubt that happens. I acknowledge that we have to play near flawlessly, but we have a chance. NYG is NEs kryptonite. They get great pressure rushing only four. That's what we do too. So if we can pull off NYs gameplan, we have a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddyburch View Post
    How about overestimating? You dont think flat out picking your very young team and coach to walk into New England and do something that has not been done in a decade is overestimating them a bit?
    No I do not. Harbaugh, the staff, the team, have proven over a short time period that they can overcome overwhelming odds and obstacles, since early last season we won games no once gave us a chance in, and I have learned to expect the unexpected, and that our team brings the best out when counted out by the rest. I don't see my unwavering faith in my team illogical, I find it justifiable. The odds of the Patriots winning are, and should be greater. But to grasp on the chance the Niners come out there and shock the world, however slim it may be, is my personal conviction and responsibility as a Niner faithful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OREcoast49er View Post
    The odds are stacked against us in this one, but I doubt we get blown out. We are a defensive team, it why we win most our games. I doubt that happens. I acknowledge that we have to play near flawlessly, but we have a chance. NYG is NEs kryptonite. They get great pressure rushing only four. That's what we do too. So if we can pull off NYs gameplan, we have a shot.
    Right but no way the Giants would be able to go into New England in Dec. and pull it off. I have said if the game was anywhere but where it is. When you play at home and run the hurry up it makes it even harder. Now that the Pats run the Hyper Hurry Up I just dont see how you can stop them. I them them running circles around your D. Lets pretend for a sec the game is being played. Brady throws a quick little 5 yard out to Hernandez and you tackle him right away. They already know the next play and rush up to the line and hike the ball within 10 of the last play. Now your D may or may not have had time to even line up. If they did you know they had no shot and getting any kind of read. That means no time to adjust. Your D is at a huge disadvantage because now they have to react in real time at game speed. Your pass rush has no idea what to do where to go. Your LBers are frozen trying to get a read. So lets say they blitz because on the fly with no D play or formation called they blitz. Most teams have 1 safety valve. Most times Brady has 5. They will do this all day right down the field.

    Quote Originally Posted by lolPhillies View Post
    No I do not. Harbaugh, the staff, the team, have proven over a short time period that they can overcome overwhelming odds and obstacles, since early last season we won games no once gave us a chance in, and I have learned to expect the unexpected, and that our team brings the best out when counted out by the rest. I don't see my unwavering faith in my team illogical, I find it justifiable. The odds of the Patriots winning are, and should be greater. But to grasp on the chance the Niners come out there and shock the world, however slim it may be, is my personal conviction and responsibility as a Niner faithful.

    I understand and respect that. Harbaugh has never tried to beat the Pats at home in Dec. I am not trying to convince you but like I said to my co worker I am sure BB respects what your doing but this is the type of game that will make BB spend even more time preparing to not only beat the 9ers but embarrass them. BB and the Pats hold contempt for any team or player said to be a threat or good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedandGold_35 View Post
    Turnover +/- means that Brady is just good at protecting the football with his throws which isn't a surprise, but they don't get a ton of turnovers. NE is also at the bottom of the league in sacks and INTs going against a team that still is very good in not giving the ball away regardless of how Kap holds the ball. If its a rainy day and we're going to be giving the ball to Frank/James and using alot of short passes to the RBs and Crabtree, I like our chances to keep it a good game.
    That's flat out wrong. The Pats are tied for 2nd in the league in forcing turnovers. Have forced 34 this year, which is tied with the Giants and are 1 turnover forced behind the Bears for 1st in the league. In fact, the Pats have ranked in the top 3 in turnovers forced for the last 3 years- ranking 3rd last year and 2nd in 2010. Basically, the Patriots way of playing defense over the last 3 years has been forcing turnovers or giving up points.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/2012/opp.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/2011/opp.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/2010/opp.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsSoxKnicks View Post
    That's flat out wrong. The Pats are tied for 2nd in the league in forcing turnovers. Have forced 34 this year, which is tied with the Giants and are 1 turnover forced behind the Bears for 1st in the league. In fact, the Pats have ranked in the top 3 in turnovers forced for the last 3 years- ranking 3rd last year and 2nd in 2010. Basically, the Patriots way of playing defense over the last 3 years has been forcing turnovers or giving up points.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/2012/opp.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/2011/opp.htm
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    Well that's my mistake, going by the NFL.com stats site they have NE with 5 INTs and 10 FFs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedandGold_35 View Post
    Well that's my mistake, going by the NFL.com stats site they have NE with 5 INTs and 10 FFs.

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go
    That's because you're looking at offense......

    I mean think about it, do you really think the Colts are leading the league in defensive INTs?

    If you go to this:
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...ualified=false

    that is defensive INTs (makes sense that the Bears are leading.....). It's not your fault as the nfl.com has it mixed up but I mean you might want to take a look at the rankings before taking them for face value...I mean highly unlikely that the Chiefs and Colts are up there in defensive INTs when the Colts D sucks and you hear on the broadcast all the time that the Chiefs have the worst turnover margin in the league.

    Anyways I'd just use PFR. Much better site
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsSoxKnicks View Post
    That's because you're looking at offense......

    I mean think about it, do you really think the Colts are leading the league in defensive INTs?

    If you go to this:
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...ualified=false

    that is defensive INTs (makes sense that the Bears are leading.....). It's not your fault as the nfl.com has it mixed up but I mean you might want to take a look at the rankings before taking them for face value...I mean highly unlikely that the Chiefs and Colts are up there in defensive INTs when the Colts D sucks and you hear on the broadcast all the time that the Chiefs have the worst turnover margin in the league.

    Anyways I'd just use PFR. Much better site
    Says defensive when I click on it. Seems like its all defensive stats (tackles, sacks, FFs, etc), but they don't have it put together correctly (I used the pull down to put it on defense and INTs and it shows how many INTs the offense has thrown, makes no sense lol).


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    From pro-football-reference . com

    Here are the defensive turnover (TO) stats sorted by TO. It includes both defensive interceptions (INT) and fumbles recovered (FR)
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    Rk                     Tm  G  Int   TO  FR
    1           Chicago Bears 13   21   35  14
    2         New York Giants 13   20   34  14
    3    New England Patriots 13   15   34  19
    4       Arizona Cardinals 13   19   28   9
    5          Houston Texans 13   15   27  12
    6        Cleveland Browns 13   15   27  12
    7      Cincinnati Bengals 14   11   26  15
    8        Seattle Seahawks 13   14   25  11
    9        Baltimore Ravens 13   13   25  12
    10   Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13   17   24   7
    11        Atlanta Falcons 13   16   24   8
    12    Washington Redskins 13   15   24   9
    13     San Diego Chargers 13   12   24  12
    14          New York Jets 13   11   22  11
    15         Denver Broncos 13   15   21   6
                     Avg Team    12.2 20.8 8.6
    16      Green Bay Packers 13   15   20   5
    17   Jacksonville Jaguars 13   10   20  10
    18          Buffalo Bills 13   11   19   8
    19     New Orleans Saints 13   10   19   9
    20      Carolina Panthers 13    9   19  10
    21    San Francisco 49ers 13   10   18   8
    22      Minnesota Vikings 13    9   17   8
    23         St. Louis Rams 13   13   16   3
    24       Tennessee Titans 13   12   16   4
    25          Detroit Lions 13   10   16   6
    26        Oakland Raiders 13    9   16   7
    27         Dallas Cowboys 13    6   14   8
    28         Miami Dolphins 13    9   12   3
    29    Pittsburgh Steelers 13    7   12   5
    30    Philadelphia Eagles 14    7   12   5
    31     Kansas City Chiefs 13    7   11   4
    32     Indianapolis Colts 13    8   10   2
                 League Total     391  667 276
                     Avg Tm/G     0.9  1.6 0.7
    </PRE>
    Here are the offensive turnover (TO) stats sorted by TO. It includes both interceptions (INT) (Tom Brady (4) and Ryan Mallett (1)) and fumbles lost (FL)


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    1    New England Patriots 13    5   10   5
    2     San Francisco 49ers 13    6   12   6
    3     Washington Redskins 13    6   12   6
    4    Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13    8   12   4
    5       Green Bay Packers 13    8   13   5
    6        Baltimore Ravens 13    9   13   4
    7          Houston Texans 13   11   13   2
    8        Seattle Seahawks 13    9   17   8
    9          St. Louis Rams 13   11   17   6
    10      Carolina Panthers 13   10   18   8
    11        New York Giants 13   13   18   5
    12        Atlanta Falcons 13   14   18   4
    13       Cleveland Browns 13   15   19   4
    14   Jacksonville Jaguars 13   11   20   9
                     Avg Team    12.2 20.8 8.6
    15      Minnesota Vikings 13   12   22  10
    16          Detroit Lions 13   12   22  10
    17          Chicago Bears 13   15   22   7
    18         Denver Broncos 13   10   23  13
    19         Miami Dolphins 13   12   23  11
    20        Oakland Raiders 13   14   23   9
    21     Cincinnati Bengals 14   14   23   9
    22     New Orleans Saints 13   18   23   5
    23     San Diego Chargers 13   15   24   9
    24         Dallas Cowboys 13   16   24   8
    25    Pittsburgh Steelers 13   11   25  14
    26       Tennessee Titans 13   14   26  12
    27          Buffalo Bills 13   14   26  12
    28     Indianapolis Colts 13   18   26   8
    29          New York Jets 13   13   28  15
    30      Arizona Cardinals 13   17   28  11
    31     Kansas City Chiefs 13   17   33  16
    32    Philadelphia Eagles 14   13   34  21
                 League Total     391  667 276
                     Avg Tm/G     0.9  1.6 0.7
    </PRE>
    Last edited by subroc; 12-15-2012 at 05:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    From pro-football-reference . com

    Here are the defensive turnover (TO) stats sorted by TO. It includes both defensive interceptions (INT) and fumbles recovered (FR)
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    Rk                     Tm  G  Int   TO  FR
    1           Chicago Bears 13   21   35  14
    2         New York Giants 13   20   34  14
    3    New England Patriots 13   15   34  19
    4       Arizona Cardinals 13   19   28   9
    5          Houston Texans 13   15   27  12
    6        Cleveland Browns 13   15   27  12
    7      Cincinnati Bengals 14   11   26  15
    8        Seattle Seahawks 13   14   25  11
    9        Baltimore Ravens 13   13   25  12
    10   Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13   17   24   7
    11        Atlanta Falcons 13   16   24   8
    12    Washington Redskins 13   15   24   9
    13     San Diego Chargers 13   12   24  12
    14          New York Jets 13   11   22  11
    15         Denver Broncos 13   15   21   6
                     Avg Team    12.2 20.8 8.6
    16      Green Bay Packers 13   15   20   5
    17   Jacksonville Jaguars 13   10   20  10
    18          Buffalo Bills 13   11   19   8
    19     New Orleans Saints 13   10   19   9
    20      Carolina Panthers 13    9   19  10
    21    San Francisco 49ers 13   10   18   8
    22      Minnesota Vikings 13    9   17   8
    23         St. Louis Rams 13   13   16   3
    24       Tennessee Titans 13   12   16   4
    25          Detroit Lions 13   10   16   6
    26        Oakland Raiders 13    9   16   7
    27         Dallas Cowboys 13    6   14   8
    28         Miami Dolphins 13    9   12   3
    29    Pittsburgh Steelers 13    7   12   5
    30    Philadelphia Eagles 14    7   12   5
    31     Kansas City Chiefs 13    7   11   4
    32     Indianapolis Colts 13    8   10   2
                 League Total     391  667 276
                     Avg Tm/G     0.9  1.6 0.7
    </PRE>
    Here are the offensive turnover (TO) stats sorted by TO. It includes both interceptions (INT) (Tom Brady (4) and Ryan Mallett (1)) and fumbles lost (FL)


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    <PRE>                                          
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    1    New England Patriots 13    5   10   5
    2     San Francisco 49ers 13    6   12   6
    3     Washington Redskins 13    6   12   6
    4    Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13    8   12   4
    5       Green Bay Packers 13    8   13   5
    6        Baltimore Ravens 13    9   13   4
    7          Houston Texans 13   11   13   2
    8        Seattle Seahawks 13    9   17   8
    9          St. Louis Rams 13   11   17   6
    10      Carolina Panthers 13   10   18   8
    11        New York Giants 13   13   18   5
    12        Atlanta Falcons 13   14   18   4
    13       Cleveland Browns 13   15   19   4
    14   Jacksonville Jaguars 13   11   20   9
                     Avg Team    12.2 20.8 8.6
    15      Minnesota Vikings 13   12   22  10
    16          Detroit Lions 13   12   22  10
    17          Chicago Bears 13   15   22   7
    18         Denver Broncos 13   10   23  13
    19         Miami Dolphins 13   12   23  11
    20        Oakland Raiders 13   14   23   9
    21     Cincinnati Bengals 14   14   23   9
    22     New Orleans Saints 13   18   23   5
    23     San Diego Chargers 13   15   24   9
    24         Dallas Cowboys 13   16   24   8
    25    Pittsburgh Steelers 13   11   25  14
    26       Tennessee Titans 13   14   26  12
    27          Buffalo Bills 13   14   26  12
    28     Indianapolis Colts 13   18   26   8
    29          New York Jets 13   13   28  15
    30      Arizona Cardinals 13   17   28  11
    31     Kansas City Chiefs 13   17   33  16
    32    Philadelphia Eagles 14   13   34  21
                 League Total     391  667 276
                     Avg Tm/G     0.9  1.6 0.7
    </PRE>
    So both teams are protecting the ball, NE is just taking it away more, we've have alot of shots at takeaways just not go our way, but probably got a bit spoiled on how it was for us last year. We're doing a better job this year of ending other teams drives early so the opportunities have been limited as well, as I expect them to be with the way Brady plays. Gotta make the most of everything this week.
    Last edited by RedandGold_35; 12-15-2012 at 05:44 PM.


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    oh man, its going to be snowing on sunday night?? Every time the pats play in snow as of late, its usually an *** whooping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ne3xchamps View Post
    oh man, its going to be snowing on sunday night?? Every time the pats play in snow as of late, its usually an *** whooping.

    GO PATS!!
    Brady is IMO the greatest in snow QB I have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ne3xchamps View Post
    oh man, its going to be snowing on sunday night?? Every time the pats play in snow as of late, its usually an *** whooping.

    GO PATS!!
    So far still just rain from weather reports, could turn to snow with the temp, who knows.


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    So how long till there's a Niners/Pats are overrated thread after this game? I say 2 mins.


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    It will be a Niners thread because we will lose, just ask gobruins17. You don't even have to watch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedandGold_35 View Post
    So how long till there's a Niners/Pats are overrated thread after this game? I say 2 mins.
    Neither the Niners or Patriots are overrated, regardless of the outcome of this game. Teams like the Falcons and Texans have been overrated all season though.
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