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    Quote Originally Posted by tmacsc2 View Post
    ...Fact is MVP is MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to the team....You take brady away and the pats still have the record they have or maybe 1 more loss.

    You take peyton away and keep tebow and the broncos are either 7-6 or below .500 and not having a chance at the playoffs.
    You don't know any of that. That is little better than spitballin'!
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    MVP - Manning
    OPOY - AP
    DPOY - Watt
    Comeback - AP
    OROY - Griffin
    DROY - Harrison Smith
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    MVP - Peyton Manning/Adrian Peterson
    OPOY - Tom Brady
    DPOY - Von Miller
    CPOY - Peyton Manning
    OROY - Robert Griffin III
    DROY - Harrison Smith/Luke Kuechly
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    MVP - Tom Brady
    Offensive Player of the Year - Adrian Peterson
    Defensive Player of the Year - Von Miller
    Comeback Player of the Year - Peyton Manning
    Offensive Rookie of the Year - Andrew Luck
    Defensive Rookie of the Year - Chandler Jones
    Coach of the Year - Pete Carroll
    Executive of the Year - ????

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    Is the MVP award the Most Valuable to Your Team award or just the Most Valuable Player Overall award?

    I know criteria for these things are kind of fluid (not as bad as the NBA), but it seems everyone still interprets things very differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    You don't know any of that. That is little better than spitballin'!
    I do agree its irrelevant as we won't ever know, but with Brock Osweiller, we'd be lucky with 5 wins.

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    Thats a horrible argument about Tebow at QB..he got them to the 2nd round of the playoffs..

    If Manning doesnt get to the 2nd, then that would be an embarassment

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    The only chance the Broncos have to reach the second round is with a bye. No way in hell do they have any chance at all to win a playoff game. So yeah guess Tebow did take us farther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MittyMitch View Post
    Thats a horrible argument about Tebow at QB..he got them to the 2nd round of the playoffs..

    If Manning doesnt get to the 2nd, then that would be an embarassment
    I hope you're just trolling. Anyone with the least bit of knowledge can tell the difference in the Broncos this year and last.

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    MVP- Adrian Peterson
    Offensive Player of the Year- Adrian Peterson
    Defensive Player of the Year- JJ Watt
    Comeback Player of the Year- Peyton Manning
    Offensive Rookie of the Year- RG III
    Defensive Rookie of the Year-Luke Kuechly
    Coach of the Year- Bruce Arians
    Executive of the Year- John Elway

    AP has been amazing...torn ACL comes back and gets 1600 yards...early in the year they were limiting him too. JJ Watt much bigger difference maker vs. Aldon Smith. Bruce Arians has led the Colts to 9-4 and has overcome a lot...he deserves it.
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    It should be Brady by a mile after the Texans game.

    If Gronk/Hernandez are healthy for the whole season we aren't even talking about Manning and MVP. Did Manning lose is primary target and then shred a top 10 defense?

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    I said this before and I'll say it again...

    If Brady dominates the Texans and the 49ers in back to back weeks...he should be the unquestioned MVP.

    Step 1...complete.

    Step 2...TBD.
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    Defensive passer rating:
    Manning Defenses Faced: Brady Defenses faced:
    PIT 77.4 ......................... TEN 97.4
    ATL 79.0 ........................ ARI 71.9 (2nd best)
    HOU 78.1......................... BAL 79.9(10th)
    OAK 100.3 (2nd worst)....... BUF 85.1
    NE 89.5 ........................ DEN 80.5 (11th)
    SD 88.8 ........................ SEA 72.6 (3rd Best)
    NO 99.1 (3rd worst) ....... NYJ 76.1 (4th best)
    CIN 84.7 ........................ STL 85.4
    CAR 91.9 (bottom 10) ....... BUF 85.1
    SD 88.8 ......................... IND 93.4
    KC 101.1 (worst).............. NYJ 76.1 (4th best)
    TB 92.4 (bottom 10)........ MIA 83.3
    OAK 100.3 (2nd worst)........ HOU 78.1 (8th best)

    Average Defensive QB rating faced:
    Manning: 90.1 Brady: 81.9

    So as you can plainly see Brady has faced a tougher slate of pass defenses. He has scored more points in the process and turned it over less. 32 total TD's 4 INTs

    Manning plays the NFC South home to NO(30), TB(25) and CAR(24) all sporting bottom 10 pass defenses. He also plays KC(32) and OAK(31) twice who are both the worsts teams in terms of defensive passer rating.

    Meanwhile Brady plays the AFC West home to SEA(3rd best passer rating against) and ARI(2) as well as the Jets twice (4), also the niners are up next with the 6th best passer rating against.
    Last edited by Patriot Pride; 12-12-2012 at 04:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmacsc2 View Post
    He tried really really hard.......a little too hard.

    Fact is MVP is MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to the team....You take brady away and the pats still have the record they have or maybe 1 more loss.

    You take peyton away and keep tebow and the broncos are either 7-6 or below .500 and not having a chance at the playoffs.

    Another thing is Peyton Manning has come into a whole new culture and team from Indianapolis.
    -New team
    -New Coach
    -New Front office
    -New WRs

    and yes coming back from 4 neck surgeries and a whole year off also wins Comeback player of the year, as does is warrant points in MVP voting


    how do you figure the patriots would only have one more loss?


    lets look at the only season that the pats have played without brady, shall we?

    2007 Patriots (w/Brady) = 16-0
    2008 Patriots (wo/Brady) = 11-5

    that's a net change of -5 wins


    2011 broncos (wo/Manning) = 8-8
    2012 Broncos (w/Manning) = at best, 13-3

    that's a net change at best of +5 wins




    now let's go to the actual stats:


    Manning: 3,812 Yds | 68% CMP | 30 TD | 10 INT | 2 FUM | 104 RAT
    1,367 DYAR | 29.1% DYOA

    Brady: 3,833 Yds | 64% CMP | 29 TD | 4 INT | 2 FUM | 104 RAT
    1,844 DYAR | 42.9% DYOA


    Regarding DYAR and DYOA: The simple version is that DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

    Brady beats Manning in the counting stats with more yards and much less turnovers, and absolutely kills him in the "advanced" statistics



    and for the people saying that AP is the MVP: go look at what other RBs who have recently won had to put up:

    2005 - Alexander - 1,900 yards, 5.2 avg, 27 TDs, 3 TDs receiving

    2006 - LT - 1,800 yards, , 5.2 avg, 28TDs, 500 yards in the air, 3 TDs receiving, 2 TDs passing.

    2012- AP - 1,600 yards, 5.6 avg, 10 TDs

    AP is nowhere near the kind of years that SA and LT had
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    AP is nowhere near the kind of years that SA and LT had
    I already countered this post pretty easily. You ignored it and then spammed it again.

    1600 yards but the season isn't over. He could get over 1900 and has a possibly shot at 2000 and maybe the record.

    The TD's are telling, certainly. But AP is all they have. Ponder is one of the WORST starting QB's.

    Those teams both had Pro Bowl QB's. Not only does that make him more valuable but it also makes it easier for the RB's when there is balance.

    Finally, this isn't the HOF. The MVP is year to year. That was a different era where running the ball was more essential. Nobody goes back and looks at this years stats to compare to other past MVP winners stats. It's about the MVP THIS YEAR. It's a homer stat to back up a predetermined opinion for your guy.

    Hell, bonus point. I asked this in the other thread and people agreed. Despite those stats being superior do people actually think Alexander or LT had a better season as a RB than AP is having now? I say no. Even if you do it's far far far far closer than those statistics would indicate.
    Last edited by Norm; 12-12-2012 at 04:37 PM.

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