MVP - Manning
OPOY - AP
DPOY - Watt
Comeback - AP
OROY - Griffin
DROY - Harrison Smith
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MVP - Peyton Manning/Adrian Peterson
OPOY - Tom Brady
DPOY - Von Miller
CPOY - Peyton Manning
OROY - Robert Griffin III
DROY - Harrison Smith/Luke Kuechly
COY - Gary Kubiak
EOY - John Elway
MVP - Tom Brady
Offensive Player of the Year - Adrian Peterson
Defensive Player of the Year - Von Miller
Comeback Player of the Year - Peyton Manning
Offensive Rookie of the Year - Andrew Luck
Defensive Rookie of the Year - Chandler Jones
Coach of the Year - Pete Carroll
Executive of the Year - ????
Is the MVP award the Most Valuable to Your Team award or just the Most Valuable Player Overall award?
I know criteria for these things are kind of fluid (not as bad as the NBA), but it seems everyone still interprets things very differently.
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Thats a horrible argument about Tebow at QB..he got them to the 2nd round of the playoffs..
If Manning doesnt get to the 2nd, then that would be an embarassment
The only chance the Broncos have to reach the second round is with a bye. No way in hell do they have any chance at all to win a playoff game. So yeah guess Tebow did take us farther.
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MVP- Adrian Peterson
Offensive Player of the Year- Adrian Peterson
Defensive Player of the Year- JJ Watt
Comeback Player of the Year- Peyton Manning
Offensive Rookie of the Year- RG III
Defensive Rookie of the Year-Luke Kuechly
Coach of the Year- Bruce Arians
Executive of the Year- John Elway
AP has been amazing...torn ACL comes back and gets 1600 yards...early in the year they were limiting him too. JJ Watt much bigger difference maker vs. Aldon Smith. Bruce Arians has led the Colts to 9-4 and has overcome a lot...he deserves it.
Last edited by TheSportMessiah; 12-12-2012 at 03:50 PM.
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It should be Brady by a mile after the Texans game.
If Gronk/Hernandez are healthy for the whole season we aren't even talking about Manning and MVP. Did Manning lose is primary target and then shred a top 10 defense?
Defensive passer rating:
Manning Defenses Faced: Brady Defenses faced:
PIT 77.4 ......................... TEN 97.4
ATL 79.0 ........................ ARI 71.9 (2nd best)
HOU 78.1......................... BAL 79.9(10th)
OAK 100.3 (2nd worst)....... BUF 85.1
NE 89.5 ........................ DEN 80.5 (11th)
SD 88.8 ........................ SEA 72.6 (3rd Best)
NO 99.1 (3rd worst) ....... NYJ 76.1 (4th best)
CIN 84.7 ........................ STL 85.4
CAR 91.9 (bottom 10) ....... BUF 85.1
SD 88.8 ......................... IND 93.4
KC 101.1 (worst).............. NYJ 76.1 (4th best)
TB 92.4 (bottom 10)........ MIA 83.3
OAK 100.3 (2nd worst)........ HOU 78.1 (8th best)
Average Defensive QB rating faced:
Manning: 90.1 Brady: 81.9
So as you can plainly see Brady has faced a tougher slate of pass defenses. He has scored more points in the process and turned it over less. 32 total TD's 4 INTs
Manning plays the NFC South home to NO(30), TB(25) and CAR(24) all sporting bottom 10 pass defenses. He also plays KC(32) and OAK(31) twice who are both the worsts teams in terms of defensive passer rating.
Meanwhile Brady plays the AFC West home to SEA(3rd best passer rating against) and ARI(2) as well as the Jets twice (4), also the niners are up next with the 6th best passer rating against.
Last edited by Patriot Pride; 12-12-2012 at 04:38 PM.
how do you figure the patriots would only have one more loss?
lets look at the only season that the pats have played without brady, shall we?
2007 Patriots (w/Brady) = 16-0
2008 Patriots (wo/Brady) = 11-5
that's a net change of -5 wins
2011 broncos (wo/Manning) = 8-8
2012 Broncos (w/Manning) = at best, 13-3
that's a net change at best of +5 wins
now let's go to the actual stats:
Manning: 3,812 Yds | 68% CMP | 30 TD | 10 INT | 2 FUM | 104 RAT
1,367 DYAR | 29.1% DYOA
Brady: 3,833 Yds | 64% CMP | 29 TD | 4 INT | 2 FUM | 104 RAT
1,844 DYAR | 42.9% DYOA
Regarding DYAR and DYOA: The simple version is that DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.
Brady beats Manning in the counting stats with more yards and much less turnovers, and absolutely kills him in the "advanced" statistics
and for the people saying that AP is the MVP: go look at what other RBs who have recently won had to put up:
2005 - Alexander - 1,900 yards, 5.2 avg, 27 TDs, 3 TDs receiving
2006 - LT - 1,800 yards, , 5.2 avg, 28TDs, 500 yards in the air, 3 TDs receiving, 2 TDs passing.
2012- AP - 1,600 yards, 5.6 avg, 10 TDs
AP is nowhere near the kind of years that SA and LT had
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I already countered this post pretty easily. You ignored it and then spammed it again.AP is nowhere near the kind of years that SA and LT had
1600 yards but the season isn't over. He could get over 1900 and has a possibly shot at 2000 and maybe the record.
The TD's are telling, certainly. But AP is all they have. Ponder is one of the WORST starting QB's.
Those teams both had Pro Bowl QB's. Not only does that make him more valuable but it also makes it easier for the RB's when there is balance.
Finally, this isn't the HOF. The MVP is year to year. That was a different era where running the ball was more essential. Nobody goes back and looks at this years stats to compare to other past MVP winners stats. It's about the MVP THIS YEAR. It's a homer stat to back up a predetermined opinion for your guy.
Hell, bonus point. I asked this in the other thread and people agreed. Despite those stats being superior do people actually think Alexander or LT had a better season as a RB than AP is having now? I say no. Even if you do it's far far far far closer than those statistics would indicate.
Last edited by Norm; 12-12-2012 at 04:37 PM.