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\nor i would just flip Brown and Revere. i could be wrong but i thought i remembered Brown hitting pretty well out of the 2 spot last season.
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\nRollins is the lead-off guy as long as he\'s here. i really don\'t see that changing. he just prefers it, even though he\'s just not a lead-off guy, and he doesn\'t seem to bat well anywhere else because he\'s so hell-bent on being the lead-off guy.
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There is no way Revere is taking over the lead off spot away from Rollins. But it that was to happened I don\'t see if hitting 2nd just because I don\'t see Rollins laying down the sacrifice bunt or drawing a walk.
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\r\nSee Brown starting right fielder and Ruf back in triple AAA.
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not enough Ruf in these lineups for my liking...any chance Revere moves to Right, Josh in Center, so Ruf can get on the field? Once in awhile? Or does signing Hamilton essentially mean he\'s playing LF and Ruf will be doomed to the Iron Pigs until we trade him to Houston?
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For me personally, I don\'t think Ruf should be on the Phillies active roster let alone starting. I just don\'t think there is any way he sticks in the outfield at this point to warrant giving him a spot. He needs to play every day in LV to work on his defense, which he won\'t get at the majors.
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\nI\'m invested in Dom for one more season with him being healthy before giving away his spot to a guy most scouts say will not stick.
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\nIdeal Lineup to start the season:
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There is thing called basketball go on google and search the images of it okay.... When you do just picture Carmelo doing anything possible with it...... After that picture someone who does every single one of those things better.... That\'s Kevin Durant.
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why don\'t you add charisma and friendship, I think those are two other top qualities an NBA player can have next to "loving others for who they are".
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A Team, even you have to acknowledge the numerous reports over the last few years about Utley being dead set on batting 3rd.
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\r\n****but whos with me on a blockbuster involving rub, brown, and bunches (hope we keep quinn, cozens, asche but nvm that) netting us upton and kubel
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\r\n So the question what batting order I would suggest, right? So I\'ll admit that this probably wont happen but...
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\nI\'m assuming a few things here. First, given the success mentioned above, Rollins would have to accept a role down in the line up. I\'m also hoping Ruf can hit at least .250-.260 with power in the 5 hole. That MAY be asking too much. I also don\'t trust Ruiz coming back to 2011 form as many seem to. I really think the Aderall helped that production a bit. If he plays like the 2009-2010 Ruiz, he can\'t hit in the 3 hole.
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\nI don\'t like this order as much bc we can\'t split up the righty/lefty batters. Some analyst scolf at the importance of this separation, but I think many of us have seen by the eye test that a lefty line-up in previous years gets dominated by lefty pitching.\r\n
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IF they do well...
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I know you say if they do (excell) well.... and I think your lineup or the following is probably what we\'ll see:
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\r\nBut personally, I\'m not sold on Brown and Ruf in the everyday lineup, I prefer them as a platoon and another right fielder. However, I can\'t see overpaying Bourn for 5 years plus giving up the 16th overall pick and I\'m glad Rub didn\'t overpay for BJ Upton, Victorino, Swisher, Ross, Pagan etc.
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\r\nI am pretty sure we will see this or your line-up (starting game #51, provided everyone is healthy). I also think if the Phils are close to a playoff team and Ruf/Brown aren\'t producing then at the trade deadline is when you go out and trade for a Soriano, Wells (if he\'s showing any power at all) or whoever might be traded (Cargo, Tulo, Cuddeyer... I think the Rockies are going to suck this year and clear house around the trade deadline).\r\n
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I don\'t think the Rockies will ever trade tulowiski. And if they do, it\'ll take a kings random the size the phillies don\'t have. Unfortunately.
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I\'m not so sure! He\'s injured ALOT. That contract is horrible. He is guaranteed $20 miil/yr between 2015-2019. I don\'t think it would take a whole lot more than someone stupid enough (Angels/Dodgers) to take on his laughable contract.\r\n
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batting order?
If things don't change as they are. What order would you have.
Ravere CF
Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Ruf LF
Ruiz C
Young 3B
Brown RF
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