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Hate the Pats, but Wilfork is one of my favorite players in the entire league and deserves some consideration
I watch the Patriots alot, don't think that he just played like that last night
Last edited by pedrofan45; 12-11-2012 at 03:12 PM.
Patricia on Wilfork
Another week, another win for the Patriots, and another dominant performance from nose tackle Vince Wilfork.
The heart and soul of the Patriots' defensive line was nearly unblockable against the Texans on Monday night, standing tall to collect four tackles (including one for a loss), a sack and a forced fumble.
He led the charge for a defensive line that coordinator Matt Patricia said stood out in the team's 42-14 thrashing of the AFC's top team.
"You've really got to give credit to those guys up front. They did a heckuva job playing really good fundamental disciplined football," Patricia said.
"Vince obviously leads the charge and is a tremendous player for us in the front. He obviously demands a lot of attention from the opponents, which in other cases can free up teammates and stuff that we talked about earlier in the year on some plays that present themselves where he's obviously such a force in there. He gets those plays every once in a while where he is singled up, or has a chance or opportunity to make a good play, which he did quite a bit last night."
Between the work he does in freeing up space for linebackers, taking on blockers, stuffing the run, collapsing the pocket as a pass rusher, and providing standout leadership on defense, the value of Wilfork is difficulty to quantify, according to Patricia.
"I think it's really difficult to kind of say," he said. "Obviously the biggest stat we're concerned with is winning and I think you could definitely say that Vince helps us win every week. That's really what we're trying to do, and that's what we're trying to work for as a defense, is to get better. That's the stat we're looking for, so it's hard, like you said, there's not a real stat for it. We're just trying to win and do what we can to win, and I think obviously for us it's just a key component."
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A traditional nose tackle in a 34 defense might hold more importance than any other position outside of quarterback in the NFL, and there is nobody who plays it better than Wilfork. His value to his defense is arguably second to none.
hes not even the best DT. justin smith is.
I watch Pats games as I watch Niners games given that I make it a prerogative to know elite teams as well as I can. Wilfork is a fantastic player, but Smith is currently one of the top D lineman in the NFL and is one of the key reasons for Niner's D ridiculous dominance.
And no, there are many other positions on defense than can hold as much value to NT if not likely more, especially in today's game. Pass rushers undoubtedly hold more value than a NT. As do elite playmakers like Revis, Reed, Washington, Polamalu, Earl Thomas, Sherman, Willis, Bowman, etc.
Wilfork's value is second to none on a very average defense. As an overall defensive player, his value wouldn't cut the top 10 in the NFL and his position is in no way the most valuable. He is what he is, a a very good player, but trying to convince that a traditional NT in today's NFL still holds the most valuable is a flat out lie. That title goes to pass rushers and then probably elite playmakers. NTs generally hold great value against the run which is what Wilfork obviously excels in. HOWEVER, as already mentioned, given the love for passing these days, NT does not hold near the value it once did.
Last edited by kozelkid; 12-11-2012 at 03:39 PM.
You say that you try to keep up with elite teams. Did you even watch the AFC championship game last year? Or any primetime game with the Patriots playing? Vince Wilfork is certainly way above a top 10 DT.... I feel like I'm arguing with either a biased fan who has a woody Justin Smith who also doesn't watch Wilfork enough, or a child.
Only children resort to insults. If you want to debate, that's fine, otherwise don't bother.You say that you try to keep up with elite teams. Did you even watch the AFC championship game last year? Or any primetime game with the Patriots playing? Vince Wilfork is certainly way above a top 10 DT.... I feel like I'm arguing with either a biased fan who has a woody Justin Smith who also doesn't watch Wilfork enough, or a child.
Anyway, yes, I've watched plenty of Wilfork. And it's fantastic that he shows up for big games. But you have to show up for ALL games. This season he started off VERY slow. Hell, I'm not the only one who has said this in this very thread. He's a top 10 DT, but I can think of 7-8 who have a case over Wilfork. As it stands, THIS season, Atkins is in his own league, followed by McCoy, Kyle Williams, and Fairley in the next category. Then you got your Suh, WILFORK, Melton and a few others. Again, this is the body of work for this season. I don't care what happened in previous seasons.
You're putting Fairley and Suh ahead of Wilfork, who gave up 2 td's and 100 yard rushing to Arian Foster, while just last night Wilfork completely shut him down every time Foster came close to him. On 15 carries Foster only had 46 yards. The Texans were playing down for most of the game but if you watched, they couldn't do much at all with the run game.
You're really only saying that getting pressure on the quarterback is what makes a DT valuable, which is simple-minded and makes you look like a child.
Last edited by pedrofan45; 12-11-2012 at 04:38 PM.
He's been our best defensive player for so many years now, I'm wondering what it takes for a DT/NT to get into Canton? How important are sexy stats for that position?