Why get Gasol when we have Boozer?

[me/not you]

this is from and ESPN article i read.

The problem of trading Pau Gasol can be explained by using a line from Business 101:

Buy low, sell high.

Right now, it's hard to imagine Gasol's trade value ever being lower. To illustrate how far his stock has fallen, let's play our favorite comparison game of Player A vs. Player B.

Consider these two big men:

Player A:
Age: 32 | Contract: 2 years/$19M annually | 2012-13 averages: 12.6 pts, 8.8 rebs, 42 FG%, 14.9 PER

Player B:
Age: 31 | Contract: 3 years/$15.7M annually | 2012-13 averages: 13.7 pts, 9.1 rebs, 46 FG%, 16.7 PER

On the surface, which of the two players would you prefer? Of course, we're leaving out some pretty important variables including defense, passing and injury status. But play along for a minute. You might feel like Player B is the better asset on the surface, because he's more efficient, younger and cheaper salary-wise. The length of the contract isn't ideal, but you might be able to bite the bullet for the younger player. Player B actually looks somewhat palatable.

So, who are the two players?

Well, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who Player A is. That's Gasol. His numbers are down, his knee is keeping him sidelined for the time being and he's currently producing at a mediocre level if we go by player efficiency rating (15 is average). To top it off, only five -- count 'em, five -- other players are due more money over the next two seasons. He's one of the most highly paid players in the game and delivering average numbers.

And Player B? Any guesses?

Yep, it's Carlos Boozer -- the guy who's generally considered one of the worst, if not the worst, albatrosses in the league.

Now, hold on, let's be fair: I'm not suggesting that these two players are equal in talent or value, for that matter. What I'm saying is that based on current production levels, the gap between Gasol and arguably the most overpaid player in the league isn't nearly as thick as Boozer's eyebrows.

Truthfully, if you want to visualize Gasol's trade value over the past three months, just look at Apple's stock (AAPL) over the same time period. Or just look at the backslash button on your keyboard. That's what we're dealing with here.

And that's the dilemma for the Lakers. If they try to deal Gasol now, they're violating the central rule of deal-making: don't sell low. In trade negotiations, that lack of leverage will make it very difficult to receive a strong haul. Sure, Gasol could return to his pre-Mike Brown All-Star levels, but then again, he is a 32-year-old center dealing with knee problems who can barely stay on the floor these days and almost no one wears a steeper price tag.

Also a potential issue: The Lakers have been very open about their interest in keeping a clean slate for the summer sweepstakes of 2014 (hello LeBron!) and anything lasting beyond that will make it tough to lure a big-name talent next to Steve Nash and presumably Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard.

But because of fit issues, it makes sense that Gasol will eventually be dealt for a package featuring a stretch 4 who can space the defense and complement Mike D'Antoni's floor-spacing system.


now, i am all for getting gasol. i think he would be perfect next to noah. the title of this thread was added because i know there are alot of us that want gasol or wanted him,but how quickly should we go after this trade,and would the lakers do it. what would we have to add to make the deal better? so this is just a little something to think about. right now they are basically even. trade them and gasol gets better for the bulls and i believe boozer gets better for the lakers. thes two players should switch to make both teams better.IMO.

[O_T-1]

LOL ... you wrote an entire article questing the trade and at the end you say you agree with it ... AH AH AH


Gasol would give us a front court off option and we need that! But 19M? Jesus...

[JordansBulls]

Gasol is better he is just not utilized properly in that system in LA with Kobe taking twice as many shots as him. Also having a Noah/Gasol frontcourt in the East would enable us to beat any team including Miami as size is there weakness.

[path2zion]

U make the deal better by adding Rip. lakers have a terrible bench and having rip is a major upgrade because he can reduce Kobe's minutes and/or allowing him to move to the 3 at points like he did sometimes when Shannon brown was on team. He's also a great transition player with his pull up mid-range jump shot. And no lakers will not be signing a Max player in 2014. Dwight/Kobe/nash will cost the team around 50 mil, so unless Kobe signs a sub 10 mil contract or retires, lebron is not an option. The other issue is chemistry which the lakers seem to lack. Rip and Kobe have known each other since highschool and boozer is supposedly one of Dwight's best friends. This should help the locker room and be added incentive for Dwight to re-sign. I believe the trade will do wonders for Pau after all the turmoil and trade attempts of the last few years. He's great for the bulls because size is miamis greatest weakness so Pau could really help exploit that on both ends.

[Team*Chicago]

this is from and ESPN article i read.

The problem of trading Pau Gasol can be explained by using a line from Business 101:

Buy low, sell high.

Right now, it's hard to imagine Gasol's trade value ever being lower. To illustrate how far his stock has fallen, let's play our favorite comparison game of Player A vs. Player B.

Consider these two big men:

Player A:
Age: 32 | Contract: 2 years/$19M annually | 2012-13 averages: 12.6 pts, 8.8 rebs, 42 FG%, 14.9 PER

Player B:
Age: 31 | Contract: 3 years/$15.7M annually | 2012-13 averages: 13.7 pts, 9.1 rebs, 46 FG%, 16.7 PER

On the surface, which of the two players would you prefer? Of course, we're leaving out some pretty important variables including defense, passing and injury status. But play along for a minute. You might feel like Player B is the better asset on the surface, because he's more efficient, younger and cheaper salary-wise. The length of the contract isn't ideal, but you might be able to bite the bullet for the younger player. Player B actually looks somewhat palatable.

So, who are the two players?

Well, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who Player A is. That's Gasol. His numbers are down, his knee is keeping him sidelined for the time being and he's currently producing at a mediocre level if we go by player efficiency rating (15 is average). To top it off, only five -- count 'em, five -- other players are due more money over the next two seasons. He's one of the most highly paid players in the game and delivering average numbers.

And Player B? Any guesses?

Yep, it's Carlos Boozer -- the guy who's generally considered one of the worst, if not the worst, albatrosses in the league.

Now, hold on, let's be fair: I'm not suggesting that these two players are equal in talent or value, for that matter. What I'm saying is that based on current production levels, the gap between Gasol and arguably the most overpaid player in the league isn't nearly as thick as Boozer's eyebrows.

Truthfully, if you want to visualize Gasol's trade value over the past three months, just look at Apple's stock (AAPL) over the same time period. Or just look at the backslash button on your keyboard. That's what we're dealing with here.

And that's the dilemma for the Lakers. If they try to deal Gasol now, they're violating the central rule of deal-making: don't sell low. In trade negotiations, that lack of leverage will make it very difficult to receive a strong haul. Sure, Gasol could return to his pre-Mike Brown All-Star levels, but then again, he is a 32-year-old center dealing with knee problems who can barely stay on the floor these days and almost no one wears a steeper price tag.

Also a potential issue: The Lakers have been very open about their interest in keeping a clean slate for the summer sweepstakes of 2014 (hello LeBron!) and anything lasting beyond that will make it tough to lure a big-name talent next to Steve Nash and presumably Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard.

But because of fit issues, it makes sense that Gasol will eventually be dealt for a package featuring a stretch 4 who can space the defense and complement Mike D'Antoni's floor-spacing system.


now, i am all for getting gasol. i think he would be perfect next to noah. the title of this thread was added because i know there are alot of us that want gasol or wanted him,but how quickly should we go after this trade,and would the lakers do it. what would we have to add to make the deal better? so this is just a little something to think about. right now they are basically even. trade them and gasol gets better for the bulls and i believe boozer gets better for the lakers. thes two players should switch to make both teams better.IMO.

If Gasol is really having knee problems then that's definitely a big negative about him along with his big hefty contract. Instead of having 1 reason not to get him now we have 2 reasons not to get hm. I would like to have Gasol on this team and he would thrive a lot better in Chicago than in Los Angeles. He would play on under a true great coach in Thibs instead of some stupid dumb *** coaches in Mike Brown(give it to LeBron) and D'antoni(high power strict offense with some stars). If we can **** or cheat the Lakers in a deal for Gasol then hell yeah we should get him but if we can't then leave it alone.

[CubbyBlue2009]

Boozer has been racking up double doubles for my fantasy team. Probably the best late round pick so far.

[O_T-1]

Boozer has been racking up double doubles for my fantasy team. Probably the best late round pick so far.

My yahoo fantasy is going wrong wrong wrong.

Its true that due to a personal problem i havent changed my linups is a while but i have a good team and i loose every matchup... douche

[jamesdiego]

And the Bulls better wait to see how Gasol's knees are doing before any trade

[KH12]

Please don't reply to baiting/insults, just report the post and it's much easier to take care of.

[Shmontaine]

This trade seems like one that the bulls can't win...

if they make the trade, pau won't live up to his contract. if they don't, we still have boozer pissing everyone off...

i say pass..

[path2zion]

This trade seems like one that the bulls can't win...

if they make the trade, pau won't live up to his contract. if they don't, we still have boozer pissing everyone off...

i say pass..

We actually win no matter what. Going into the '14-15 season we'd have 38 mil coming off the books plus mirotic and the Charlotte pick that year or the next. If Pau is still playing well and likes the team he might even stick around for 5-8 mil to cash in on some rings. I say we pull the trigger as boozer seems to be the lone person on the team not willing to buy into thibs defensive strategy.

[Iggz53]

They're both very similar in terms of their games. Pau can play defense though and is a better passer. But the difference doesn't look to be that significant this year. Both have their bouts of games where they disappoint.

[--23--]

Gasol is better he is just not utilized properly in that system in LA with Kobe taking twice as many shots as him. Also having a Noah/Gasol frontcourt in the East would enable us to beat any team including Miami as size is there weakness.

basically this

Gasol is overall better than Boozer

[abe_froman]

what jb said.gasol is by no means where he was in his prime,he has visibly regressed in recent years.but this year has alot to do with him being misused,he just isnt a dantoni player(one reason why the hiring over phil was baffling and stupid),he'd do much better here and he would give us the upgrade in size and quality that is needed to have hope competing in the east the next couple years

[Rosh]

Well, this escalated quickly.