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    Quote Originally Posted by koreancabbage View Post
    Jonas a C - we didn't have one

    Ross an athletic wing - a shooter - SG/SF - we didn't have one.

    filling needs.
    Jonas was BPA, while we didn't have a legit C, we certainly had more big men than guards. Most people on here wanted Kemba or Knight; PG was the general consensus as our "need", more so than another big man.

    DeRozan isn't an "athletic wing" ? And Ross is a SG, not a SF. Drafting Ross wasn't filling a positional need.

    We keep drafting PFs, when we have plenty. Ed Davis was drafted because we thought he was the BPA, not because we needed another PF.

    We've needed a SF for a long time, yet when was the last time we drafted one? Joey Graham? (who was like 8 years ago, before Colangelo anyways).

    I can't think of a single time we've drafted for need and not BPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conway429 View Post
    Jonas was BPA, while we didn't have a legit C, we certainly had more big men than guards. Most people on here wanted Kemba or Knight; PG was the general consensus as our "need", more so than another big man.

    DeRozan isn't an "athletic wing" ? And Ross is a SG, not a SF. Drafting Ross wasn't filling a positional need.

    We keep drafting PFs, when we have plenty. Ed Davis was drafted because we thought he was the BPA, not because we needed another PF.

    We've needed a SF for a long time, yet when was the last time we drafted one? Joey Graham? (who was like 8 years ago, before Colangelo anyways).

    I can't think of a single time we've drafted for need and not BPA.
    Hoffa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conway429 View Post
    Jonas was BPA, while we didn't have a legit C, we certainly had more big men than guards. Most people on here wanted Kemba or Knight; PG was the general consensus as our "need", more so than another big man.

    DeRozan isn't an "athletic wing" ? And Ross is a SG, not a SF. Drafting Ross wasn't filling a positional need.

    We keep drafting PFs, when we have plenty. Ed Davis was drafted because we thought he was the BPA, not because we needed another PF.

    We've needed a SF for a long time, yet when was the last time we drafted one? Joey Graham? (who was like 8 years ago, before Colangelo anyways).

    I can't think of a single time we've drafted for need and not BPA.
    Terrence Ross was filling a need. He sure as hell wasn't the BPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    Pride, honour and all that great stuff.
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    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    Terrence Ross was filling a need. He sure as hell wasn't the BPA.
    we had a great need at backup SG? I don't see it. I think the bigger need was at PG and we didn't draft any of the PGs that were available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    Terrence Ross was filling a need. He sure as hell wasn't the BPA.
    Ross is a SG, our biggest need was/is at SF, or PG before Lowry.
    We would've reached for Royce White or Harkless or Marshall if we were drafting by need.
    Last edited by conway429; 12-10-2012 at 03:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conway429 View Post
    Ross is a SG, our biggest need was/is at SF, or PG before Lowry.
    We would've reached for Royce White or Harkless or something if we were drafting by need.
    Definitely Harkness. BC looked at him a couple of times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    we had a great need at backup SG? I don't see it. I think the bigger need was at PG and we didn't draft any of the PGs that were available.
    Colangelo already planned to go after Nash. That's why he didn't draft a PG. C anf PF were already settled. That left the wing positions. He drafted Ross to be an insurance in case we let Derozan go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conway429 View Post
    Ross is a SG, our biggest need was/is at SF, or PG before Lowry.
    We would've reached for Royce White or Harkless or Marshall if we were drafting by need.
    Colangelo has said he needed 3 point shooting badly. He also said that he thgouht Derozan could play SF the next season. Enter Ross.

    Even if it wasn't a position need, he wasn't draft BPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    we had a great need at backup SG? I don't see it. I think the bigger need was at PG and we didn't draft any of the PGs that were available.
    Casey was GOD to the fan base last year. He figured too prominently in decisions concerning the build of the team. Two cases in point: 1. winning games in a tanking season, and 2. drafting his guy when other needs could have been filled.

    Not blaming him entirely but BC did listen to his advisors, and perhaps too much. Tried to go in a defensive direction and to date those players just haven't gelled together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    Colangelo has said he needed 3 point shooting badly. He also said that he thgouht Derozan could play SF the next season. Enter Ross.

    Even if it wasn't a position need, he wasn't draft BPA.
    You don't use a lottery pick to add a 3-point specialist. There were plenty of options in the 2nd round (Kim English/Doron Lamb/Kevin Murphy) who were as good if not better from 3.

    and "thought he could play" doesn't mean "permanently moved to SF moving forward and drafting/building the team accordingly"
    I don't even remember him vehemently saying that
    Last edited by conway429; 12-10-2012 at 03:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conway429 View Post
    You don't use a lottery pick to add a 3-point specialist. There were plenty of options in the 2nd round (Kim English/Doron Lamb/Kevin Murphy) who were as good if not better from 3.

    and "thought he could play" doesn't mean "permanently moved to SF moving forward and drafting/building the team accordingly"
    I don't even remember him vehemently saying that
    I never said he was a 3 point specialist. He drafted a guy who's strength was 3 point shooting, but is also capable of doing other things.

    He drafted Ross for multiple reasons. Casey wanted a 3 point shooter. Casey wanted a defensive wing. Colangelo wanted insurance in case Derozan was being let go. At the end of the day, we needed a wing (since the future of both SF and SG position were blurry). That's who he picked. He picked the BPA at the wing position. But he didn't pick the BPA overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    Colangelo has said he needed 3 point shooting badly. He also said that he thgouht Derozan could play SF the next season. Enter Ross.

    Even if it wasn't a position need, he wasn't draft BPA.
    I asked this earlier to the thread, who do you think was the BPA?

    Also i still feel that even if Ross wasn't BC's BPA, it also has been proven in other years he has drafted BPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    I asked this earlier to the thread, who do you think was the BPA?

    Also i still feel that even if Ross wasn't BC's BPA, it also has been proven in other years he has drafted BPA.
    None of them were really that far apart from each other between picks 8-12. But the potential of each player was greater than some. I am a big Andre Drummond fan and he should've gone to us. I also think Jeremy Lamb was a better option than Ross.

    I also believe he drafted for BPA in other years. I just don't feel he drafted the BPA this year.

    I think Ross is a solid player and will be good, but he wanted the BPA when we picked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    I asked this earlier to the thread, who do you think was the BPA?

    Also i still feel that even if Ross wasn't BC's BPA, it also has been proven in other years he has drafted BPA.
    Yeah, this is the only year I can think of where there's even an argument of not going BPA.
    I'm guessing he means Drummond, but it's already been stated there's other reasons we didn't take Drummond

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