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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJohnHorn View Post
    David Lee has been playing at an All-Star level since he was in NY.


    But this is how the league goes. You play for a small market, nobody cares. You play for NY, you make the all-star team. One need look no further than Lee as an example. He's played better with the GSW than he did in NY, yet in NY he makes an All-Star team and in GS nobody notices him.

    If Melo was on GS instead of NY people wouldnt be going off about him.


    Same thing with Chandler. He makes the Mavs and NBA championship team with his defence and Diwght wins DPOY, Chandler shows up in NY and they remain a first-round-exit team and he wins DPOY? Hmm...


    Lee is an all-star, even if he isn't playing in LA or NY.
    Sad but true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Stanton View Post
    What is it?
    I'm with you. PER is a great stat when used by itself!

    Now lets put Jason Kidd & Jimmer Fredette with their 20 PER at PG in the ASG

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJohnHorn View Post
    David Lee has been playing at an All-Star level since he was in NY.


    But this is how the league goes. You play for a small market, nobody cares. You play for NY, you make the all-star team. One need look no further than Lee as an example. He's played better with the GSW than he did in NY, yet in NY he makes an All-Star team and in GS nobody notices him.

    If Melo was on GS instead of NY people wouldnt be going off about him.


    Same thing with Chandler. He makes the Mavs and NBA championship team with his defence and Diwght wins DPOY, Chandler shows up in NY and they remain a first-round-exit team and he wins DPOY? Hmm...


    Lee is an all-star, even if he isn't playing in LA or NY.
    Ummm... no.

    Lee made the ASG ONCE in NY as an injury replacement in a year where he averaged 20/12 & 4, he was never really considered an AS in NY, far from it.

    More like when you actually contribute to a WINNING team you get recognition, as it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    I'm with you. PER is a great stat when used by itself!

    Now lets put Jason Kidd & Jimmer Fredette with their 20 PER at PG in the ASG
    He's pretty "meh" as far as other metrics go in comparison to other top flight PFs. I honestly love Lee's game and I think he's mad underrated but he shouldn't make the all-star team this year.


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    Shoot I'd even put up Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond in their prime at or slightly better than James. Even Glenn Robinson who is a forgotten beast.


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    Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. My favorite non-Knick (whose Knick number is in my sig) definitely deserves to be an All-Star this year. I was telling Warriors fans in the offseason I expected them to play really well this season. Good young starters, super deep bench, man if only Bogut was healthy with you guys. Anyways back to Lee, he definitely deserves to be an All-Star this year both because of his play and because of the way his play has contributed to the Warriors success this year. I wish we still had him instead of Stat. Hope the Warriors and Lee continue doing well this season except during their meetings with the Knicks.

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    David Lee

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    he should be a all star

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzace137 View Post
    he should be a all star
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Stanton View Post
    So you're saying you don't believe in PER? Either way sell me on Lee.
    Let me put it like this splitter might have a higher per but if the contracts matched the spurs would give up splitter for lee in a heartbeat

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    Quote Originally Posted by b@llhog24 View Post
    He's pretty "meh" as far as other metrics go in comparison to other top flight PFs. I honestly love Lee's game and I think he's mad underrated but he shouldn't make the all-star team this year.
    Just what are those metrics and who are the other PF? I can see a case for Zach and maybe Faried, though Denver is underperforming. I'd love to see Zach, Lee, and Jamal Crawford on the all-star team. Dumped Knicks redux.

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    The Bay is not a small market so I am not feeling that argument. They are the sixth largest market in the league and the eleventh biggest in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohreally View Post
    Just what are those metrics and who are the other PF? I can see a case for Zach and maybe Faried, though Denver is underperforming. I'd love to see Zach, Lee, and Jamal Crawford on the all-star team. Dumped Knicks redux.
    Take a look for yourself.

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    Rk          Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
    1    Ryan Anderson 2012-13  24 19 13 32.8 6.9 14.5 .478 3.4 7.6 .444 1.2  1.3 .880 2.4  5.1  7.5 1.3 0.3 0.3 1.0 2.6 18.4
    2       Tim Duncan 2012-13  36 20 20 30.3 7.4 13.9 .531 0.1 0.2 .667 3.3  4.3 .776 1.8  8.0  9.8 2.6 0.8 2.4 1.6 1.8 18.1
    3    Blake Griffin 2012-13  23 19 19 32.7 7.4 14.1 .522 0.0 0.3 .000 3.2  5.2 .606 1.7  7.3  9.1 3.3 1.4 0.6 2.5 3.1 17.9
    4      Carl Landry 2012-13  29 20  0 26.1 4.7  8.4 .563 0.0 0.1 .000 3.8  4.9 .776 3.1  3.9  7.0 1.1 0.4 0.5 1.9 3.0 13.2
    5        David Lee 2012-13  29 20 20 37.6 7.6 15.1 .505 0.0 0.1 .000 3.3  4.3 .776 2.9  8.4 11.3 3.5 1.0 0.3 2.7 3.3 18.5
    6       Kevin Love 2012-13  24  9  9 34.4 6.4 16.9 .382 1.2 5.7 .216 7.1 10.6 .674 3.9 10.3 14.2 2.1 1.0 0.4 2.3 2.0 21.2
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    Rk              Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
    1    LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-13  27 19 19 38.2 8.2 18.1 .451 0.0 0.3 .000 4.2 5.3 .782 2.1 6.0  8.1 2.5 0.9 1.3 2.1 3.3 20.5
    2       Kenneth Faried 2012-13  23 20 20 29.9 5.0  9.3 .538 0.0 0.0      2.4 4.1 .580 4.5 5.8 10.2 0.6 1.0 1.0 1.5 3.1 12.4
    3        Zach Randolph 2012-13  31 18 18 36.7 6.9 13.9 .498 0.0 0.2 .000 3.7 4.9 .742 4.9 8.1 12.9 1.3 0.7 0.7 2.3 2.4 17.6
    And the advanced lines if you're into that kind of stuff.

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    Rk          Player  Season Age  G  MP  PER  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS  WS WS/48
    1    Ryan Anderson 2012-13  24 19 623 21.5 .610 .594  8.8 18.7 13.7  7.9  0.5  0.8  6.2 23.3  122  112 2.1 0.1 2.2  .167
    2       Tim Duncan 2012-13  36 20 605 26.4 .576 .534  7.3 28.2 18.5 14.6  1.4  5.6  9.0 25.9  115   94 1.7 1.4 3.1  .250
    3    Blake Griffin 2012-13  23 19 621 21.0 .546 .522  6.6 26.1 16.6 17.2  2.3  1.6 13.1 26.2  107   99 1.0 1.1 2.1  .164
    4      Carl Landry 2012-13  29 20 522 19.7 .628 .563 13.6 16.3 15.0  6.8  0.7  1.5 15.3 21.4  119  105 1.6 0.5 2.1  .189
    5        David Lee 2012-13  29 20 751 19.1 .547 .505  9.0 24.2 16.8 16.5  1.4  0.5 13.8 23.5  109  102 1.3 1.0 2.3  .150
    6       Kevin Love 2012-13  24  9 310 22.3 .493 .418 12.6 33.0 22.9 11.8  1.5  1.0  9.8 31.0  105   96 0.5 0.7 1.1  .176
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    Rk              Player  Season Age  G  MP  PER  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS  WS WS/48
    1    LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-13  27 19 726 18.3 .501 .451  6.1 20.1 12.6 12.8  1.2  2.6  9.3 26.9  104  108 0.9 0.5 1.3  .087
    2       Kenneth Faried 2012-13  23 20 598 19.3 .557 .538 16.5 21.7 19.1  3.2  1.6  2.6 11.6 18.2  116  105 1.3 0.6 1.9  .155
    3        Zach Randolph 2012-13  31 18 661 20.2 .545 .498 15.9 25.9 20.9  6.2  1.0  1.6 12.6 22.5  111   99 1.4 1.2 2.6  .18
    You've got some guys slumping like LMA, Griffin, (Gasol who I didn't include), and if you want to discount Love because he's only played 9 games thus far that's cool, even though he's probably due for a career season again. Also I forgot Serge so there's that. I honestly don't see who he should make it ahead of. And it's not like he's some type of defensive juggernaut or something.


    Quote Originally Posted by rhymeratic View Post
    Shoot I'd even put up Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond in their prime at or slightly better than James. Even Glenn Robinson who is a forgotten beast.


    Quote Originally Posted by LoveMeOrHateMe View Post
    Kobe GOAT LOL
    ^Finally got one.

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    Also since the removed centers from the ballot: Gasol, Dwight, DJ + all the other forwards eligible are going to/have a shot at making it.


    Quote Originally Posted by rhymeratic View Post
    Shoot I'd even put up Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond in their prime at or slightly better than James. Even Glenn Robinson who is a forgotten beast.


    Quote Originally Posted by LoveMeOrHateMe View Post
    Kobe GOAT LOL
    ^Finally got one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Stanton View Post
    Love - PER - 22.43
    Splitter- PER - 21.09
    Griffin - PER - 20.23
    Lee - PER - 18.94
    Context?

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    Lee probably wont make it because he is not popular enough. If Shaq keeps giving him WCW shout outs on TNT he might get in.

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