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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    All thats definitely true, its just some of the decisions made were mind boggling to me. You speak of system but IIRC they made the decision to jettison Farmar after they already knew PJ wasn't going to be coaching, thus the triangle would no longer inhibit him. They signed an inferior player to replace him despite the fact that the superior player was shackled by the system and most likely his own youth. I just didn't see the point to expect a difference in Blake's game after years of being a journey man.

    Then consider his contract, I dont know about the annual pay but they gave him a guaranteed 4 year deal. Thats just unnecessary for a player of his caliber in a market like LA. Just holding onto Farmar would have helped over the ensuing years.

    I havent examined the situation fully, but it just strikes me odd that you guys have been unable to rectify the situation.
    Farmar asked to leave. And actually Phil stayed the one season after he left. The question was never his basketball talent, but his hard headed ness, as Rambis and Shaw noted, he just dint listen and always had to argue with the coaches over the years over the way he thought things should be done.

    As for Blake, he was wanted by the front office, and it came to him or Ridnour who actually was willing to take less money and years, 3mil per year for 3 years, but they thought Blake would fit the triangle and grow into Fishers role. You have to remember Shaw was expected to just transition in and e triangle stay in place, so Blake was brought in with the idea of living up to replacing Fisher and what he was throughout the decade, not Farmar, whose role Ridnour could have replicated

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    Can the Lakers sign K-Mart & Delonte? Or just afford one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kobe4thewinbang View Post
    Can the Lakers sign K-Mart & Delonte? Or just afford one?
    We have 13 guaranteed spots. The only 2 non-guaranteed are Johnson-Odom and Sacre.

    We would have to cut those 2 guys.


    Then we sign K-Mart to the veteran's minimum (pro-rated) and sign Delonte to the rest of our MMLE of $1.59M (pro-rated). Both pro-rated since they would be joining the team mid-season rather than at the beginning.

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    No Bench because Kobe commands 28 Million, about half of the salary cap alone!


    And Mitch trading away picks for aging players. Lakers haven't had a solid draft pick who played with them ... since.....Farmer. Wish they kept Marc Gasol.

    !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB-Pau-DH2012 View Post
    We have 13 guaranteed spots. The only 2 non-guaranteed are Johnson-Odom and Sacre.

    We would have to cut those 2 guys.


    Then we sign K-Mart to the veteran's minimum (pro-rated) and sign Delonte to the rest of our MMLE of $1.59M (pro-rated). Both pro-rated since they would be joining the team mid-season rather than at the beginning.
    The Lakers CAN do whatever they want... they might CHOOSE not to sign the best available players out there but to think we could not right now have an additional 3-4 players making significant contributions at the vets minimum is naive...

    the blue print of an owner doing whatever it takes to try and win is the NETS...

    They made all their big moves and THEN made a **** load of others like Evans and Blatche and stackhouse and watson and childress... adding those guys has made their young players like brooks and taylor and teletovic irrelevant...

    None of those guys other than Evans signed for more than the vets minimum this past summer...

    other vet min guys that were available

    Rashard Lewis
    The Brazilian Blurr Barbosa
    The French Fairy Pietrus
    The Serbian Shiitbag Darko
    Ronnie Brewer
    jermaine oneal

    just to name a few

    as for Delonte...

    I am pretty sure he was cut and is still getting paid his guarantee money ... to think he would cost more than the minimum is absurd...

    The problem with the Lakers FO is they quit working after the D12 trade... there was TONS more work that needed to be done... signing more vets and thus adding depth was crucial when MOST observers with any basketball knowledge knew we would have to trade Pau at some point this year. That would be a much easier accomplishment if we had some depth.

    The Lakers are a LONG way from being a contender at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
    The Lakers CAN do whatever they want... they might CHOOSE not to sign the best available players out there but to think we could not right now have an additional 3-4 players making significant contributions at the vets minimum is naive...

    the blue print of an owner doing whatever it takes to try and win is the NETS...

    They made all their big moves and THEN made a **** load of others like Evans and Blatche and stackhouse and watson and childress... adding those guys has made their young players like brooks and taylor and teletovic irrelevant...

    None of those guys other than Evans signed for more than the vets minimum this past summer...

    other vet min guys that were available

    Rashard Lewis
    The Brazilian Blurr Barbosa
    The French Fairy Pietrus
    The Serbian Shiitbag Darko
    Ronnie Brewer
    jermaine oneal

    just to name a few

    as for Delonte...

    I am pretty sure he was cut and is still getting paid his guarantee money ... to think he would cost more than the minimum is absurd...

    The problem with the Lakers FO is they quit working after the D12 trade... there was TONS more work that needed to be done... signing more vets and thus adding depth was crucial when MOST observers with any basketball knowledge knew we would have to trade Pau at some point this year. That would be a much easier accomplishment if we had some depth.

    The Lakers are a LONG way from being a contender at this point
    Agree on all your points. I was utterly ticked when we didn't get the Blur, but at that time, we didn't have D'Antoni either which makes the Clown hiring and the late firing so frustrating.

    Pietrus wanted to get starter heavy minutes to raise his stock for a lucrative contract from another team next summer. Unfortunately, he wouldn't get the same opportunity here as he'd most likely be a bench player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB-Pau-DH2012 View Post
    Agree on all your points. I was utterly ticked when we didn't get the Blur, but at that time, we didn't have D'Antoni either which makes the Clown hiring and the late firing so frustrating.

    Pietrus wanted to get starter heavy minutes to raise his stock for a lucrative contract from another team next summer. Unfortunately, he wouldn't get the same opportunity here as he'd most likely be a bench player.
    we needed barbosa whether brown or someone else was here... having barbosa would have enabled us to trade him or meeks when we eventually trade Pau...

    we didn't accumulate any assets to provide us trade flexibility... instead we went el cheapo with Sacreofshiit and Odom

    As for Pietrus, he said before he signed with Toronto that the Lakers didn't return his calls and obviously didn't want him... again, another guy we could have had for the min which would have freed another one up for a trade.

    The FO is garbage when it comes to this issue ... i posted in August/September on this issue and got scorn saying we couldn't have it all...

    bull ****... we CAN have it all ... we CHOSE not to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
    we needed barbosa whether brown or someone else was here... having barbosa would have enabled us to trade him or meeks when we eventually trade Pau...

    we didn't accumulate any assets to provide us trade flexibility... instead we went el cheapo with Sacreofshiit and Odom

    As for Pietrus, he said before he signed with Toronto that the Lakers didn't return his calls and obviously didn't want him... again, another guy we could have had for the min which would have freed another one up for a trade.

    The FO is garbage when it comes to this issue ... i posted in August/September on this issue and got scorn saying we couldn't have it all...

    bull ****... we CAN have it all ... we CHOSE not to
    Well the being over the luxury tax killed those ideas, and we all know trading Pau is our only option. Also the Lakers are staying away from free agency because we all know that's going to fail again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB-Pau-DH2012 View Post
    Agree on all your points. I was utterly ticked when we didn't get the Blur, but at that time, we didn't have D'Antoni either which makes the Clown hiring and the late firing so frustrating.

    Pietrus wanted to get starter heavy minutes to raise his stock for a lucrative contract from another team next summer. Unfortunately, he wouldn't get the same opportunity here as he'd most likely be a bench player.
    I told you before the only way we could had signed the Blur if Blake was dealt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman8586 View Post
    I told you before the only way we could had signed the Blur if Blake was dealt.
    Actually, Blur didn't sign because we instead opted to sign Jodie Meeks. Knowing he wouldn't get the minutes he wanted, he decided to wait for a better situation, which he got in Boston as he is now the backup to Rondo (with Avery Bradley being out after shoulder surgery, which opened up the minutes and opportunities for Blur).


    Blur chose a sure situation in terms of being in the rotations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB-Pau-DH2012 View Post
    Actually, Blur didn't sign because we instead opted to sign Jodie Meeks. Knowing he wouldn't get the minutes he wanted, he decided to wait for a better situation, which he got in Boston as he is now the backup to Rondo (with Avery Bradley being out after shoulder surgery, which opened up the minutes and opportunities for Blur).


    Blur chose a sure situation in terms of being in the rotations.
    It won't be sure for him Avery Bradley comes back. Oh and by the way the Lakers wanted both the Blur and Meeks thus why the Lakers wanted to move Blake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman8586 View Post
    Well the being over the luxury tax killed those ideas, and we all know trading Pau is our only option. Also the Lakers are staying away from free agency because we all know that's going to fail again.
    No need for you to continually state the obvious and add nothing to the conversation... you're a patsy for the team with your FO talking points

    Again, the Lakers CHOSE to keep non-contributors ... that was their decision...

    just like the NETS chose to go further into the LT...

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    Do you guys think a Blake + Ebanks for Tayshaun Prince would be possible?


    Blake is 8M these 2 yrs, Ebanks expiring. That could give Detroit some cap relief as Tayshaun is roughly around 21-22M over 3 yrs. And if Prince pans out, Metta might become expendable as an amnesty candidate this summer before the 2013-2014 repeater tax hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
    No need for you to continually state the obvious and add nothing to the conversation... you're a patsy for the team with your FO talking points

    Again, the Lakers CHOSE to keep non-contributors ... that was their decision...

    just like the NETS chose to go further into the LT...
    Well you're being a crybaby as usual. I mean if you not going to listen then I don't want to talk to you anymore. Also I am just being realistic here ok, and if you don't like it then you can just move along.

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    [QUOTE=KB-Pau-DH2012;24662257]Do you guys think a Blake + Ebanks for Tayshaun Prince would be possible?


    Blake is 8M these 2 yrs, Ebanks expiring. That could give Detroit some cap relief as Tayshaun is roughly around 21-22M over 3 yrs. And if Prince pans out, Metta might become expendable as an

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