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    Are we overvaluing our players?

    So I suggested Myers for Niese, Flores and Valdespin in the Will Myers forum. It seems that when any of us make a trade suggestion everyone in their jumps down our throats devaluing Niese or Dickey.

    I'm wondering why that is? Are we overvaluing them or is it more of the fact that its the Mets and the Mets organization is looked downed upon by other fans?

    Everyone seems to believe Shields (2 years of control) is a far better trade then Niese. Why is that? Can anyone see they Royals making a run in the playoffs in the next 2 years?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio40 View Post
    So I suggested Myers for Niese, Flores and Valdespin in the Will Myers forum. It seems that when any of us make a trade suggestion everyone in their jumps down our throats devaluing Niese or Dickey.

    I'm wondering why that is? Are we overvaluing them or is it more of the fact that its the Mets and the Mets organization is looked downed upon by other fans?

    Everyone seems to believe Shields (2 years of control) is a far better trade then Niese. Why is that? Can anyone see they Royals making a run in the playoffs in the next 2 years?
    Wil Myers has his own forum? And you think we are overvaluing our prospects?
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    Jordany has no value.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    Jordany has no value.
    Sorry the Should K.C. trade Will Myers thread...

    All I am saying is to me Niese, Flores and Valdespin (to a team with no second man) sounds like a much better deal then Shields for Myers.

    Yet everyone seems to jump down your throat anytime Niese and Myers are in the same sentence. They then say Shields is far more valuable to K.C. I really just don't get that.

    I'm not saying I think we are overvaluing our players. Im asking if anyone thinks we are since everyone else seems to be undervaluing Niese and Dickey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio40 View Post
    Sorry the Should K.C. trade Will Myers thread...

    All I am saying is to me Niese, Flores and Valdespin (to a team with no second man) sounds like a much better deal then Shields for Myers.

    Yet everyone seems to jump down your throat anytime Niese and Myers are in the same sentence. They then say Shields is far more valuable to K.C. I really just don't get that.

    I'm not saying I think we are overvaluing our players. Im asking if anyone thinks we are since everyone else seems to be undervaluing Niese and Dickey.
    Myers will not be as good as Trout or Harper, Jason Parks doesn't think Myers is worth Wheeler.


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    As sports fans, its our perrogative for our favorite team. We Mets fans are especially guilty; Millege, F-Mart, and now Flores (man without a position). Heck most of us feel Mejia and Familia are untouchable.. but what are they really? Just potential relievers! I'm sure we all see front line starters, but did you see the way Duda, Kirk, V-spin and company faded last year, ouch!

    To best evaluate our talent, we need to read someone elses predictions not affiliated with the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The-rock-man View Post
    As sports fans, its our perrogative for our favorite team. We Mets fans are especially guilty; Millege, F-Mart, and now Flores (man without a position). Heck most of us feel Mejia and Familia are untouchable.. but what are they really? Just potential relievers! I'm sure we all see front line starters, but did you see the way Duda, Kirk, V-spin and company faded last year, ouch!

    To best evaluate our talent, we need to read someone elses predictions not affiliated with the team.
    I still believe in Kirk. I think he needs a full year to prove himself. Duda I still think can become a good MLB hitter but as a DH that could step in to play outfield and 1B when needed. V-Spin is an enigma. He has the talent to be great but can't be coached.

    Flores I was never high on. He seems to be Murphy with Power. Probably has more value to another team that has holes at third or first base.


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    Regarding Sheilds VS Niese.. Niese is the real deal and younger! If Niese had a second year of putting it all together under his belt, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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    No everyone else undervalues our players. Youre exactly right. I dont know why people think Shields is much better than Niese either. He's not. Niese is 5 years younger, a lefty, and coming off an awesome season that was damn similar to Shields's season. Niese isn't even in his prime yet. For the next 5 years, I will take Niese over Shields 10 times out of 10


    At the same time, Why do people even want to trade Niese? He's awesome, and a DAMN good #3 starter. Harvey, Wheeler, and Niese, with maybe DIckey, Johan, Gee, etc in there a couple years down the road? Filthy rotation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kmo429 View Post
    No everyone else undervalues our players. Youre exactly right. I dont know why people think Shields is much better than Niese either. He's not. Niese is 5 years younger, a lefty, and coming off an awesome season that was damn similar to Shields's season. Niese isn't even in his prime yet. For the next 5 years, I will take Niese over Shields 10 times out of 10


    At the same time, Why do people even want to trade Niese? He's awesome, and a DAMN good #3 starter. Harvey, Wheeler, and Niese, with maybe DIckey, Johan, Gee, etc in there a couple years down the road? Filthy rotation.
    Good example of overvaluing Niese going on right here...

    Look, i like Niese, but if it weren't for a .340 ERA season he just had, you wouldn't be valuing him very high at all. His two previous seasons were not good. High ERA, terrible pathetic WHIP, just all around mediocre-bad numbers. One season doesn't make his value go through the roof. I wouldn't mind holding onto Niese but if we can get a young hitting prospect like Myers, you do that deal all day and without hesitation. And the Mets would make that deal, problem is KC is smarter than that. But i would definitely trade Niese, Flores, and another mid-low level prospect for him if that'd be enough.

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    I feel like KC is a bigger culprit for overvaluing their players than we are. They do it every year. They talked about Hochevar as if he was going to be a lights out ace. Hosmer had his own section of sports center updates after his late year call up a couple years ago because of all the hype. Alex Gordon, who is a nice player, was supposed to be much more than he is. Wil Meyers, who might be great, is being talked about as if he is Harper/Trout territory. I think that KC and the Yankees overvalue their system more than we do. KC just gets away with it because they are irrelevant, and the Yankees because they struck gold in their system like 20 years ago.

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    Your top 2-3 starters are important…4-5 not so much and are expendabl

    6-7 of your starting batters/fielders are important, the other 2-3 not so much and are expendable

    If you have a stickout closer, he is important. The others not so much and are expendable. Note: most teams do not have such a player.

    The rest of the bullpen and probably all of the bench is expendable.

    You probably have 2-3-4 relatively sure fire prospects in the minors. The others are expendable.

    There are certainly exceptions to this line of thinking but, in most cases, these other players are fairly easy to replace.

    The Mets need 4 position players. If you have to "overspend" a little to get some of these players, you do it. If another team wants you to sweeten the pot by throwing in some replaceable, low level minor leaguer, you do it.

    It's not like we are dealing from a position of strength here.

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    Trade Flores in a package for someone who actually has a position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Trade Flores in a package for someone who actually has a position.
    Premature.

    The exception of course is we get blown away with an offer.
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