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    Better Scorer: Kobe or Jordan?

    Just saw them debating this on ESPN. So I guess it's actually a debate? That's news to me.

    Plus, I felt this forum needed more Kobe threads. Just doing my job.

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    You used to be a mod and you put a comparison thread in the NBA forum.

    You can never insult JordansBulls again because you're behaving just like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gram View Post
    you can never insult jordansbulls again because you're behaving just like him.
    ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gram View Post
    you used to be a mod and you put a comparison thread in the nba forum.
    +1

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    jordan and its not close

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    Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

    Anyone who says Kobe is either under the age of 15 or just a blatant idiot.


    Perfection

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonE Coleman View Post
    Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

    Anyone who says Kobe is either under the age of 15 or just a blatant idiot.
    Hasty Generalization fallacy. An argument tactic most commonly used by children I might add. How ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amos1er View Post
    Hasty Generalization fallacy. An argument tactic most commonly used by children I might add. How ironic.


    Says the guy whose argument that Kobe is better, is that he scored 81 in ONE GAME


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    Quote Originally Posted by RonE Coleman View Post


    Says the guy whose argument that Kobe is better, is that he scored 81 in ONE GAME
    Read my post before you misquote me. I was responding to a Heat homer who said that it wasn't even close which I replied that I had 81 reasons that it's closer than you think. Don't know where I ever said the Kobe is "better". When you misquote me in such a manner, it actually gives clout to my last statement about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amos1er View Post
    Hasty Generalization fallacy. An argument tactic most commonly used by children I might add. How ironic.
    yeah, but he aint wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatcheck View Post
    yeah, but he aint wrong.
    Right or wrong doesn't matter in this case. He stated his opinion in a way that basically said everyone who doesn't agree with him with should be lumped into a single demeaning category. He did not state his opinion in an intelligent manner and on top of that he insinuated that everyone with a differing opinion is on the level of a child. I found it ironic that someone who would call out others for being childish would state his own opinion in such an amateur manner. Even if he is right, which he is, he should have the foresight to be able to convey himself in a way that other could take him seriously, especially when he is being so quick to judge others. It's like when president Bush said: "either your with us or against us". No one should be using argument techniques that can be compared to that guy. You might actually lose an argument even when you are 100% right if thats the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tredigs View Post
    Really? I'd say dropping 37+ for a season on 48% from the field (this, as a 3rd year player, eclipsing a fg% greater than Kobe's ever reached) is already a peak higher than Kobe ever saw.

    They've also both had five 60+ point games if I'm not mistaken. Kobe did not have more like you tried to say earlier. Only, 1 of MJ's came in the playoffs. Kobe definitely never pulled that off. Having 10 scoring titles to Kobe's 2 and being the #1 regular season and playoff PPG scorer where Kobe doesn't fall in the top 5 simply destroy Kobe's argument of it being close.

    Of 50-59 point games, Jordan has 34 of those (including 7 in the playoffs and the #1, #5 and #8 in terms of efficiency). Kobe has done it 20 times, once in the playoffs, and his best efficiency game of the group ranks #12. Kobe has 7 of the 15 worst, and 10 of the 25 worst (%) 50 point games since 1986. Jordan has only 1 in the bottom 25.

    This chart lays it out clearly: http://www.totalprosports.com/2012/0...s-infographic/


    It's not "hatred" or bias Kobe homers, it's just simply not close. He has no argument over Jordan when it comes to scoring in volume or efficiency.


    Quote Originally Posted by amos1er View Post
    I love how you make an excuse for Jordan taking more fg attempts than Kobe due to overtime, but then contradict yourself by saying that Kobe's 50 point game was only due to overtime.

    Kobe had a TS% of 74 when he scored 81. Again, can you tell me what Jordan's TS% was when he scored 69? In fact, in all 5 of Kobe's 60+ point performances, I will bet that his TS% was higher than Jordan's 5 games above 60.
    Nerd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avenged24 View Post
    Can't believe some of you are getting worked up over this. You guys are getting trolled hard. Manram... lol.
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimKid View Post
    It's this type of response that's made this whole debate so heated.. You're injecting your skewed interpretation of the question as some slight to Kobe and his recent accomplishment, which it's definitely isn't
    Yep. Bruno is probably the best regular poster on these boards as far as Laker fans go. But I think he's taking this question out of context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heatcheck View Post
    yeah, but he aint wrong.
    Ownage.


    Quote Originally Posted by rhymeratic View Post
    Shoot I'd even put up Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond in their prime at or slightly better than James. Even Glenn Robinson who is a forgotten beast.


    Quote Originally Posted by LoveMeOrHateMe View Post
    Kobe GOAT LOL
    ^Finally got one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonE Coleman View Post
    Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

    Anyone who says Kobe is either under the age of 15 or just a blatant idiot.
    I agree

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    Pts/75 Possessions
    34.9 - Jordan 87 (+2.4 TS%)
    34.2 - Kobe 06 (+2.4)
    32.7 - Jordan 88 (+6.5%)
    32.3 - Jordan 93 (+2.8%)
    32.1 - Jordan 90 (6.9%)
    32.1 - Jordan 91 (7.1%)
    31.9 - Jordan 96 (5.8%)
    31.8 - Gervin 82 (2.4%)
    31.7 - King 85 (4.2%)
    31.5 - McGrady 03 (4.5%)
    31.4 - Wade 09 (3.0%)
    31.2 - Jordan 97 (3.1%)
    30.6 - LeBron 09 (4.7%)
    30.5 - K. Malone 90 (8.9%)
    30.3 - Wilkins (-0.4%)
    30.0 - Jordan 89 (7.7%)

    Other Notables (Under 30 pts/75 - numbers rounded up)...
    30.0 - LeBron 10 (6.1%)
    30.0 - Shaq 98 (6.3%)
    30.0 - Shaq 95 (4.5%)
    30.0 - K. Malone 97 (6.4%)
    29.8 - Kobe 07 (3.9%)
    29.6 - LeBron 08 (2.8%)
    29.6 - LeBron 06 (3.3%)
    29.4 - Wade 10
    29.1 - K. Malone 98 (7.3%)
    28.9 - Gervin 80 (5.6%)
    28.7 - Shaq 00 (5.5%)
    28.3 - Kobe 09 (1.7%)
    28.2 - Bird 88 (7.0%)28.1 - Kobe 03 (3.7%)
    28.1 - Wilt 62 (5.7%)
    27.7 - Wade 06 (4.2%)
    27.6 - King 84 (7.6%)
    26.8 - Hakeem 95 (3.4%)
    26.7 - McAdoo 75 (6.7%)
    26.0 - Dr. J 80 (3.7%)
    25.4 - Kareem 72 (9.9%)
    25.3 - Barry 75 (0.7%)
    24.7 - Baylor 62 (1.3%)
    23.9 - Thompson (6.3%)
    23.4 - West 65 (9.3%)

    PLAYOFFS (Min 2 series, since 1980 only)
    35.7 - James 09 (7.4%)
    34.7 - Jordan 93 (7.1%)
    33.9 - Jordan 90 (5.0%)
    33.4 - Jordan 98 (1.6%)
    33.4 - Jordan 92 (2.7%)
    33.0 - Jordan 88 (5.9%)
    32.6 - Jordan 89 (6.2%)
    32.6 - Shaq 98 (7.5%)
    32.0 - Gervin 82
    31.8 - King 84 (8.0%)
    31.4 - Jordan 91 (5.3%)
    31.3 - Jordan 96 (2.6%)
    31.0 - Jordan 97 (-1.1%)
    30.9 - Jordan 95 (0.6%)
    30.8 - Shaq 97 (1.7%)
    30.5 - Hakeem 95 (0.9%)
    30.4 - Wlikins 88 (-1.2%)

    Notable Single Series Pts/75 (since 1977)
    35.7 - Jordan 86 (4.0%) v Bos
    34.9 - Hakeem 88 (10.2%) v Dal
    32.2 - Kobe 10 v Pho
    32.1 - Shaq 00 v Ind
    31.8 - Wade 06 v Dal
    31.2 - Wade 10 (10.7%) v Bos
    31.2 - Wade 09 (2.1%) v Atl
    29.5 - McGrady 03 v Det
    27.4 - McAdoo 75 v Was

    Others
    28.3 - Kareem 77
    27.8 - K. Malone 98
    24.2 - Bird 84
    23.2 - Thompson 78
    "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships."
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    Most Career 50+ Point Games in Playoffs History
    1. MJ = 8
    2. Wilt = 4
    3. West = 3
    Iverson = 3


    Most Career 40+ Point Games in Playoffs History

    1. MJ = 38
    2. West = 20
    3. Baylor = 14
    4. Wilt = 13
    Kobe = 13
    6. Shaq = 12
    7. Hakeem = 11
    Lebron = 11
    9. Iverson = 10


    Most Career 30+ Point Games in Playoffs History
    MJ - 109
    Kobe - 88
    Kareem - 75
    West -74
    Baylor - 60



    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...vidual_points/
    Top Playoff Single-Game Scoring Performances
    Player Team Opponent Total Date
    Michael Jordan Chicago at Boston 63 April 20, 1986
    Elgin Baylor L.A. Lakers at Boston 61 April 14, 1962
    Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Syracuse 56 March 22, 1962
    Michael Jordan Chicago at Miami 56 April 29, 1992
    Charles Barkley Phoenix at Golden State 56 May 4, 1994
    Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 55 May 1, 1988
    Michael Jordan Chicago Phoenix 55 June 16, 1993
    Michael Jordan Chicago Washington 55 April 27, 1997

    John Havlicek Boston Atlanta 54 April 1, 1973
    Michael Jordan Chicago New York 54 May 31, 1993
    Allen Iverson Philadelphia Toronto 54 May 9, 2001
    Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Syracuse 53 March 14, 1960
    Jerry West L.A. Lakers Boston 53 April 23, 1969
    Jerry West L.A. Lakers Baltimore 52 April 5, 1965
    Allen Iverson Philadelphia Toronto 52 May 16, 2001
    Sam Jones Boston at New York 51 March 28, 1967
    Eric Floyd Golden State L.A. Lakers 51 May 10, 1987
    Bob Cousy Boston Syracuse 50* March 21, 1953
    Bob Petit St. Louis Boston 50 April 12, 1958
    Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia at Boston 50 March 22, 1950
    Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco St. Louis 50 April 10, 1964
    Billy Cunningham Philadelphia Milwaukee 50 April 1, 1970
    Bob McAdoo Buffalo Washington 50 April 18, 1975
    Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Detroit 50 April 19, 1986
    Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50 April 28, 1988
    Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50^ May 5, 1989

    Karl Malone Utah Seattle 50 April 22, 2000
    Vince Carter Toronto Philadelphia 50 May 11, 2001



    Most seasons leading league in Points: 11
    Most scoring titles: 10

    Playoffs

    Most Points Per Game (min. 25 games)
    33.4 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

    Most Points in a Game
    63 by Michael Jordan

    Most 50 Point Games
    8 by Michael Jordan

    Most 40 Point Games
    38 by Michael Jordan

    Most 30 Point Games
    109 by Michael Jordan

    Most 20 Point Games
    174 by Michael Jordan (he played 179 playoff games and scored under 20 only 5 times)


    NBA PLAYOFFS HIGH SCORING GAME BY YEAR
    1946-47 - 37 Joe Fulks, PHW vs CHI at PHW 16Apr47
    1947-48 - 34 Connie Simmons, BLT vs NYK at BLT 27Mar48
    1948-49 - 42 George Mikan, MPL vs WSC 4Apr49 @ MPL
    1949-50 - 40 George Mikan, MPL vs SYR at MPL 23Apr50
    1950-51 - 41 George Mikan, MPL vs IDS at MPL 21Mar51
    1951-52 - 47 George Mikan, MPL at ROC 29Mar52
    1952-53 - 50 Bob Cousy, BOS vs SYR at BOS 21Mar53
    1953-54 - 36 Dolph Schayes, SYR at NYK 21Mar54
    1954-55 - 32 Bill Sharman, BOS at SYR 24Mar55
    1955-56 - 43 Neil Johnson, PHW at SYR 25Mar56
    1956-57 - 42 Bob Leonard, MPL vs STL at MPL 25Mar57
    1957-58 - 50 Bob Pettit, STL vs BOS at STL 12Apr58
    1958-59 - 40 Cliff Hagan, STL vs MPL at STL 21Mar59
    1959-60 - 53 Wilt Chamberlain, PHW vs SYR at PHW 14Mar60
    1960-61 - 47 Elgin Baylor, LAL at DET 18Mar61
    ............... 47 Elgin Baylor, LAL at STL 27Mar61
    1961-62 - 61 Elgin Baylor, LAL at BOS 14Apr62
    1962-63 - 47 Sam Jones, BOS vs CIN at BOS 10Apr63
    1963-64 - 50 Wilt Chamberlain, SFW vs STL at SFW 10Apr64
    1964-65 - 52 Jerry West, LAL vs BAL at LAL 3Apr65
    1965-66 - 46 Wilt Chamberlain, PHI vs BOS at PHI 12Apr66
    1966-67 - 55 Rick Barry, SFW vs PHI at SFW 18Apr67
    1967-68 - 46 Zelmo Beaty, STL vs SFW 23Mar68 @ STL
    1968-69 - 53 Jerry West, LAL vs BOS at LAL 23Apr69
    1969-70 - 50 Billy Cunningham, PHI vs MIL at PHI 1Apr70
    1970-71 - 39 Gail Goodrich, LAL at CHI 28Mar71
    1971-72 - 43 John Havlicek BOS at ATL 31Mar72
    1972-73 - 54 John Havlicek, BOS vs ATL at BOS 1Apr73
    1973-74 - 44 Bob McAdoo, BUF vs BOS 6Apr74 at BUF
    ............... 44 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, MIL at CHI 18Apr74
    1974-75 - 50 Bob McAdoo, BUF vs WAS at BUF 18Apr75
    1975-76 - 45 Fred Brown, SEA vs PHO at SEA 15Apr76
    1976-77 - 45 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, LAL vs GSW at LAL 29Apr77
    1977-78 - 46 George Gervin, SAN vs WAS at SAN 18Apr78
    1978-79 - 42 George Gervin, SAN vs WAS at SAN 11May79
    ............... 42 George Gervin, SAN at WAS 18May79
    1979-80 - 44 George Gervin, SAN vs HOU at SAN 4Apr80
    1980-81 - 42 Calvin Murphy, HOU at SAN 17Apr81
    ............... 42 Moses Malone, HOU vs KCK at HOU 26Apr81
    1981-82 - 39 George Gervin, SAN vs LAL at SAN 14May82
    ............... 39 Andrew Toney, PHI vs BOS at PHI 16May82
    1982-83 - 42 Alex English, DEN vs PHO at PHO 24Apr83
    ............... 42 George Gervin, SAN at DEN 26Apr83
    1983-84 - 46 Bernard King, NYK at DET 19Apr84
    ............... 46 Bernard King, NYK vs DET at NYK 22Apr84
    1984-85 - 43 Rolando Blackman, DAL vs POR at DAL 18Apr85
    ............... 43 Larry Bird, BOS vs DET at BOS 8May85
    1985-86 - 63 Michael Jordan, CHI at BOS 20Apr86
    1986-87 - 51 Sleepy Floyd, GSW vs LAL at GSW 10May87
    1987-88 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI 1May88
    1988-89 - 50 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI 5May89
    1989-90 - 49 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI 11May90
    1990-91 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI 10May91
    1991-92 - 56 Michael Jordan, CHI at MIA 29Apr92
    1992-93 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs PHO at CHI 16Jun93

    1993-94 - 56 Charles Barkley, PHO at GSW 4May94
    1994-95 - 48 Michael Jordan, CHI at CHA 28Apr95
    1995-96 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at NYK 11May96
    1996-97 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs WAS at CHI 27Apr97
    1997-98 - 45 Michael Jordan, CHI at UTA 14Jun98

    1998-99 - 37 Tim Duncan, SAN at LAL 22May99
    ............... 37 Scottie Pippen, HOU vs LAL at HOU 13May99
    ............... 37 Shaquille O'Neal, LAL vs HOU at HOU 15May99
    ............... 37 Allen Iverson, PHI vs ORL at PHI 15May99
    1999-00 - 50 Karl Malone, UTA vs SEA at UTA 22Apr00

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    ALL-TIME HIGHEST SCORING AVERAGES, NBA PLAYOFFS
    Jerry West, LAL vs BAL, 1965..... 46.3
    Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE, 1988..... 45.2
    Michael Jordan, CHI vs MIA, 1992..... 45.0


    ALL-TIME HIGHEST SCORING AVERAGES, NBA CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES/NBA FINALS
    Michael Jordan, CHI vs PHO, 1993..... 41.0
    Rick Barry, SFW vs PHI, 1965..... 40.8
    Elgin Baylor, LAL vs BOS, 1962..... 40.6


    Also MJ has 6 series in the playoffs over 40+ ppg.

    Jordan's playoffs career average is: 33.4 PPG, the highest Kobe averaged in a playoff year was 32.8 ppg and MJ's 33.4 PPG was just his average.
    Last edited by JordansBulls; 12-06-2012 at 10:55 PM.
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