Josh Hamilton

[Nomar]

Some members on this forum say "we are not contending this year" is what I have to say to that. Every year we contend! We filled our empty holes and now we need to get a pitcher either FA which is becoming less likely now because ZG $$$ is going to bump the price for Anibal Sanchez. We were plagued with injuries last year. I said it before if the starting pitchers can remain healthy and bounce back that includes Lackey then yes we have a shot. Every year we have a shot don't listen oh we will be contending in 2015-2020. Fans are not going to wait that long. Again this is how I feel and I feel we have a chance.

[bagwell368]

I wonder what he'd take if he was offered 3 yr / 75 mil or 4 yr / 80 mil. Seems logical he would think he could make more than 5 mil if he hit FA after the 3rd year.

No doubt IMO.

I think his "happy to sign" range by year is something like:

3/75
4/92
5/105
6/120

That crap that was being talked - 7/165 I believe it was? NFW

Last 5 years his FG$ WAR is:

$18.6
$06.2
$33.6
$18.3
$19.6

Only one year over $20M. He has been declining a bit, and other issues...

He looks like a "good" buy at 3/54 ($18M per), anything more is a reflection of a crappy market and a team trying to please fans, but not being baseball smart.

[Soxfan85]

Why you confused? Its true we do. But injuries and poor pitching last year didnt help us 1 bit.

[Nomar]

Why you confused? Its true we do. But injuries and poor pitching last year didnt help us 1 bit.

We haven't made the playoffs in three years, and on the 4th we slumped our way into the playoffs and were swept by a team we had a record of killing in the postseason (Angels). We were more pretenders than contenders. Nobody contends every single year.

[bagwell368]

Some members on this forum say "we are not contending this year" is what I have to say to that. Every year we contend! We filled our empty holes and now we need to get a pitcher either FA which is becoming less likely now because ZG $$$ is going to bump the price for Anibal Sanchez. We were plagued with injuries last year. I said it before if the starting pitchers can remain healthy and bounce back that includes Lackey then yes we have a shot. Every year we have a shot don't listen oh we will be contending in 2015-2020. Fans are not going to wait that long. Again this is how I feel and I feel we have a chance.

Every team that plays 162 games (or thereabouts) contends. The more elder fans here are talking about a team that can actually win playoff series on top of playoff series.

The last 7 times we've been to the playoffs dating back to 1999, we have been the wild card 5 times. Now the wild card makes it much more difficult for a WC team to win. So, what are the chances we win this Division and go on from there all the way to the WS and win it? I dunno, Ask Vegas? - 22 to 1. But that really means with Vegas math it's in the 30-1 range - or about 3.5%.

You know what they say in Vegas about people who bet long shots?

Suckers.

Edit Add:

Others have:

28/1 (2)
18/1 (1)

[MG956]

No doubt IMO.

I think his "happy to sign" range by year is something like:

3/75
4/92
5/105
6/120

That crap that was being talked - 7/165 I believe it was? NFW

Last 5 years his FG$ WAR is:

$18.6
$06.2
$33.6
$18.3
$19.6

Only one year over $20M. He has been declining a bit, and other issues...

He looks like a "good" buy at 3/54 ($18M per), anything more is a reflection of a crappy market and a team trying to please fans, but not being baseball smart.

I didn't mean what would Hamilton like to get, I meant what people here think he should get.

3/54 is too low but anything like 25/year is too high. He is damaged goods and my high is 22 or 3/66, discount for the forth year 4/80.

[gustofer1]

I believe we have a shot at the playoffs even without Hamilton, but you're right Soxfan we should be planning on putting a competitive squad out there, whether we make the playoffs via WC and lose the play-in game, or whether we make a serious push through the ALCS, we need to get consistency and durability out of our rotation.

[MG956]

There are a lot of ways Hamilton can help us but he will relapse, we just don't know when. If he does on our clock, (does Vegas have odds for that?), what happens to the clubhouse then? All I hear is changing the culture of the team and getting clubhouse guys. We have enough bad mojo to shake going into this season without intentionally hiring a f up, who would just happen to be the highest paid member of the team.

That said I think he would be fun to watch, but I have a pretty sadistic sense of humor.

[gustofer1]

There are a lot of ways Hamilton can help us but he will relapse, we just don't know when. If he does on our clock, (does Vegas have odds for that?), what happens to the clubhouse then? All I hear is changing the culture of the team and getting clubhouse guys. We have enough bad mojo to shake going into this season without intentionally hiring a f up, who would just happen to be the highest paid member of the team.

That said I think he would be fun to watch, but I have a pretty sadistic sense of humor.

Or he could stay clean and sober and create a great clubhouse aura, give us something to root for other than a baseball game. If he relapsed, no chance it almost gets swept under the rug like the "couple of beers" he had in a dive bar in Texas (iirc?), pretty tough to do that in Boston I bet, when you're a baseball player the likes of him. I'd take that risk, I know it's not my money but if it was reasonable, if the price is right, and I think Bags got it nailed to the tree at 3 yr/$54MM. If we could do 3 years, I think it's a good/descent upside deal rather than a high-rist/mediocre reward type deal.

[bagwell368]

I didn't mean what would Hamilton like to get, I meant what people here think he should get.

3/54 is too low but anything like 25/year is too high. He is damaged goods and my high is 22 or 3/66, discount for the forth year 4/80.

I answered both. What he wants and what he's worth for real.

I don't see anyone beating down his door. If Texas ends up with ZG, then the range of 3/54 to 4/76 is right there.

[AI4]

I don't see him going there unless they trade CG and stay under $189 Luxury tax. Sox still keeping "dialogue" with him even with Sox signing two outfielders the sox still have a spot left

If I'm not mistaken, the luxury tax for this year is $178M, it rises to $189 in 2014.

[Soxfan85]

If I'm not mistaken, the luxury tax for this year is $178M, it rises to $189 in 2014.

For all their talk of staying under the $189 million luxury tax in 2012, Joel Sherman of the NY Post believes that there is still a chance that New York makes a run at Hamilton in the end.

[TragicallyHip]

Some members on this forum say "we are not contending this year" is what I have to say to that. Every year we contend! We filled our empty holes and now we need to get a pitcher either FA which is becoming less likely now because ZG $$$ is going to bump the price for Anibal Sanchez. We were plagued with injuries last year. I said it before if the starting pitchers can remain healthy and bounce back that includes Lackey then yes we have a shot. Every year we have a shot don't listen oh we will be contending in 2015-2020. Fans are not going to wait that long. Again this is how I feel and I feel we have a chance.

Oh like the last two years?

[bagwell368]

Oh like the last two years?

Just goes to show... contention is in the eye of the beholder....

can you imagine some folks say this board is contentious? Imagine.

[Soxfan85]

since this a Josh Hamilton thread if you want to continue should be on http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...d.php?t=784880