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Jim Salisbury said we would only take on 5.5 mil for Young and probably looking at Josh Lindblom and possibly another guy going to Texas.
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\r\n I don\'t get all the hate towards Young..he has been one of the most consistent hitters in baseball over the last decade. He had a bad year last year 277 to his standards. To a phillies fan if somebody hits 270 it feels like 330. He had a bad year because of all the rumors and he didnt have a set position or a place. Had this been last year coming off his 338 mark we all would have been talking about how he is one of the best third basemans in baseball. This guys good and his defense will be okay. He is exactly what we need consistent.\r\n
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It also has nothing to do with me wanting him 3 yrs. ago. I hadn\'t spent more than 10 seconds thinking about Michael Young until his name came up in rumors the last 24 hrs.
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\r\n So MY is injured/OLD and plays bad defense...He will cost us prospect/specs and 6 mill.....So why exactly take that risk and pay that price when we have guys right now in galvis/fran who would likely be just as good but with a higher upside?
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So MY is injured/OLD and plays bad defense...He will cost us prospect/specs and 6 mill.....So why exactly take that risk and pay that price when we have guys right now in galvis/fran who would likely be just as good but with a higher upside?
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If you really believe Frandsen/ Galvis is better than MY there is no need to discuss any further. We are simply at loggerheads.
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If you really believe Frandsen/ Galvis is better than MY there is no need to discuss any further. We are simply at loggerheads.
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The eagles are also the youngest team in football.... Do they have the luxury of about 12 other great leader type guys on their team? Using the eagles as an example is just so very very flawed. Again Howard/Utley/Rollins/Lee/Halladay/Hamels/Charlie/Chooch are are all great guys and great leaders.... You do not need a team of great guys or leaders.... We have a great club house with a bunch of great leaders...Now we need talent/Youth and MY isn\'t much better of an upgrade over what we have out there.\r\n
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He has a career OBP of .350, .345 wOBA, and 110 wRC. He\'s also one year removed from a .380 OBP, .370 wOBA, and 125 wRC.
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\r\n not much out there. and i like young at that number, but if we are not in on a stud corner outfielder, i like youkilis better both offensively and defensively. i understand he could be significantly more expensive, but i am concerned about our offense right now.\r\n
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\r\n Here\'s the way I look at it... The Phils trade Josh Lindblom and a PTBNL(A crappy one, not Domingo Santana
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\r\nnow, what does your post reference? Post #26? the one that turned out to be bogus?\r\n
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\r\n You\'re seriously saying baseball is unarguably more important than taking care of your dependents? I\'m a bit of a narcissist and even I wouldn\'t try to make that argument.\r\n
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I\'m glad. Most important to me, it gives them a guy who can play(not well) anywhere on the field and he\'ll give them a body at 3rd. It can\'t hurt to give him a shot if he\'s coming cheap. He\'s apparently great in the clubhouse too, and will make a solid bench option at the least.\r\n
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I\'m glad. Most important to me, it gives them a guy who can play(not well) anywhere on the field and he\'ll give them a body at 3rd. It can\'t hurt to give him a shot if he\'s coming cheap. He\'s apparently great in the clubhouse too, and will make a solid bench option at the least.
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Who can play horribly, which basically means he can\'t play anywhere on the field. We\'re gonna be getting a Ryan Howard minus the power. Oh but he is a great leader and brings great chemistry. CHAMPIONSHIP!!!\r\n
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\r\n If it turns out that he can\'t handle 3rd base on a regular basis, then you throw in Galvis and Frandsen and use Young as a utility guy. It\'s not like we are trading Cole Hamels for him. It\'s probably Lindblom, who sucks anyway. There really aren\'t many options at 3rd base available. He\'ll be fine as a one year stopgap until Asche is ready.\r\n
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You\'re seriously saying baseball is unarguably more important than taking care of your dependents? I\'m a bit of a narcissist and even I wouldn\'t try to make that argument.
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That\'s a grey statement with lots of room for interpretation. What I\'m saying is that, at that time when Hampton was the most desirable FA SP on the market and was being courted by probably 6-8 teams, to say it came down to the school district (when you\'re about to sign a contract that would allow you to afford to send your kids to school on Mars) seemed disingenuous at best, and at worst made it seem like he didn\'t care about being competitive.
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Technically? Until August 31.
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That\'s a grey statement with lots of room for interpretation. What I\'m saying is that, at that time when Hampton was the most desirable FA SP on the market and was being courted by probably 6-8 teams, to say it came down to the school district (when you\'re about to sign a contract that would allow you to afford to send your kids to school on Mars) seemed disingenuous at best, and at worst made it seem like he didn\'t care about being competitive.
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I will have to root for the Phillies secretly if he accepts. He is half my namesake afterall
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Same, the Phillies will become my second favorite team assuming this all goes down.\r\n
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Go to hell Marwin Gonzalez.
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Originally Posted by
More-Than-Most
So MY is injured/OLD and plays bad defense...He will cost us prospect/specs and 6 mill.....So why exactly take that risk and pay that price when we have guys right now in galvis/fran who would likely be just as good but with a higher upside?
MY is not enough of an upgrade if an upgrade at all over what we have so why even go get him? That alone is the answer is it not? The good clubhouse guy or good leader crap is overrated...We have a ton of guys from Halladay/Lee/Hamels/Charlie/Howard/Utley who are all good club house guys and leaders.
If you really believe Frandsen/ Galvis is better than MY there is no need to discuss any further. We are simply at loggerheads.
As to your point about leadership being overrated I ask simply; have you watched an Eagles game this year?
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