ESPNNY article on Hal Steinbrenner's penny-pinching

[sauronthepower]

cause they could see into the future to know the new CBA rules? makes sense!

So..........by that logic.....we should never negotiate with free agents because we won't know what CBA changes may come down the pike 5 years later?

I understand your point but dont agree w the long term of it.

[Pinstripe power]

I'm an advocate of spending money wisely, the organization has burned themselves with ridiculous contracts-that is their own fault, why should the fans be hurt because of their ineptness? Just because they made a rash move by giving a 32 year old 10 years and 275 million doesn't mean we should suffer. Greinke at 4 years would be a good move, Hamilton at 4, front loaded would help as well, even swisher at 4 would help. The problem is the length of these deals not the overall money spent. After all of these years paying top dollar, these guys come in and say "listen, we've made the playoffs 90% of the time over the past decade with this model, but now we're changing it because of taxes" is completely ridiculous.

You couldn't be more wrong concerning costs to go to games in other cities. I live in DC, the Nats were one of the most exciting teams in baseball this year. You know how much a ticket in upper deck cost on weekdays? 5$. with a 3$ metro ride to get to the stadium. When the Yanks are in Baltimore its literally 35 to 40% cheaper, in fact, its less expensive for my parents to drive from Queens to Baltimore and get nice seats than it is for them to go from queens to the south bx and get nice seats. The costs of going to a game aren't even comparable between the yankees and other teams.

the fans are not hurt. no one is forcing you to go tot he games, pay for parking, buy food and beer, etc. they are hurting the fans more by allowing the huge spending that doesnt produce results to continue.


I also live near DC. those 5 dollar tickets are a special, for a team that has had trouble draweing attendacne since they got there. they rarely sold out beofre this year. bnaltimore, another example of a team that cant sell out the stadium, hence the lower prices. thats supply and demand, not the yankees charging too much. that is not the case with yankee stadium. compare prices at yankee stadium to any team with a rich winning tradition that sells out on a regualr basis, prices for the most part are similiar. you cna take the train to the stadium instead of parking, so the metro arguemment is moot, and concession wise the food and beer is prieced almsot the same. just look at my sig, trust em i have plenty of experience with various ball parks.


I go every year to atleast one yankee game, and I can get a bleacher set for abotu 25 bucks on stub hub for me and like 12 family memebers. that same seat in baltimore/DC is around the same. sure baltimore and DC have 5 to 8 dollars seats, but they are upper deck nose bleeds, basically the worst seat in the stadium. vlaue wise, the bleahcers are better

[rrzubnyy]

the craziest thing is that they still are! how else do you explain 12mill to Youk?

It seems like the chances of them changing philosophies is about the same as sucking a watermelon through a garden hose.

Well, who should play 3rd? You have a fan base that has been spoiled and will accept nothing but a good team on the field with the money that Hal forces them to shell out to see that team.....you cannot charge a lot for lessor talent....if they want to go that direction then sell the team or drop prices and explain their master plan....

[infernoscurse]

That's just not true.

i live 10 minutes from the stadium, i try to go as much games possible, its true , upper deck seats specially when you go on game day are 5 to 8 bucks

[Yankees 1903]

A $189 million payroll is still the highest in baseball. There are many fan bases that would kill for their team to have $189 million to work with. The problem with the Yanks is that a large portion of that $189 is locked up with a few players. How do you get out of that problem? Well you start by not signing guys to huge *** contracts that are going to be on the wrong side of 30 in a few seasons (Cano). You make smaller moves that compliment the top players on your team and compete that way. Slowly get yourself out of the contracts that are tying you down and then that $189 mill or whatever the number is in the future is more workable.

Yes the Yanks are not the Pirates or the Astros or any other low payroll team. They prove that by having a goal of a $189 million payroll which some fans complain about and act as if it's peanuts.

[Pinstripe power]

I have been hearing that about a bad season coming since 1994 when George started throwing money at problems AGAIN...They only missed 1 postseason since.....let's face it folks, money can solve problems if those players stay healthy and perform up to their abilities....

On the flip side the team still needs to develop young players for trades and possible jobs to win in spring training.....a good mix is needed for the organization to stay healthy....They are 2 years away with starting pitching and probably the same with a few of the better position players as well...they need to develop a 3rd basemen by 2015.....

making the playoffs is not our goal. and most of the players that are underpreforming are actually not, they are simply delcineing with age no one wins the battle with father time

[CostanzaNumba0]

the fans are not hurt. no one is forcing you to go tot he games, pay for parking, buy food and beer, etc. they are hurting the fans more by allowing the huge spending that doesnt produce results to continue.


I also live near DC. those 5 dollar tickets are a special, for a team that has had trouble draweing attendacne since they got there. they rarely sold out beofre this year. bnaltimore, another example of a team that cant sell out the stadium, hence the lower prices. thats supply and demand, not the yankees charging too much. that is not the case with yankee stadium. compare prices at yankee stadium to any team with a rich winning tradition that sells out on a regualr basis, prices for the most part are similiar. you cna take the train to the stadium instead of parking, so the metro arguemment is moot, and concession wise the food and beer is prieced almsot the same. just look at my sig, trust em i have plenty of experience with various ball parks.


I go every year to atleast one yankee game, and I can get a bleacher set for abotu 25 bucks on stub hub for me and like 12 family memebers. that same seat in baltimore/DC is around the same. sure baltimore and DC have 5 to 8 dollars seats, but they are upper deck nose bleeds, basically the worst seat in the stadium. vlaue wise, the bleahcers are better

Doesn't produce results? How has this meme been allowed to continue? They've missed the playoffs once in 20 ****ing years.

[Pinstripe power]

A $189 million payroll is still the highest in baseball. There are many fan bases that would kill for their team to have $189 million to work with. The problem with the Yanks is that a large portion of that $189 is locked up with a few players. How do you get out of that problem? Well you start by not signing guys to huge *** contracts that are going to be on the wrong side of 30 in a few seasons (Cano). You make smaller moves that compliment the top players on your team and compete that way. Slowly get yourself out of the contracts that are tying you down and then that $189 mill or whatever the number is in the future is more workable.

Yes the Yanks are not the Pirates or the Astros or any other low payroll team. They prove that by having a goal of a $189 million payroll which some fans complain about and act as if it's peanuts.

bingo. the yankees will be golden once thos elong term deals run out operating at 189 mil. it just sucks now because Arod, Tex, CC Jeter etc take up almost half it by themsevles

[Pinstripe power]

A $189 million payroll is still the highest in baseball. There are many fan bases that would kill for their team to have $189 million to work with. The problem with the Yanks is that a large portion of that $189 is locked up with a few players. How do you get out of that problem? Well you start by not signing guys to huge *** contracts that are going to be on the wrong side of 30 in a few seasons (Cano). You make smaller moves that compliment the top players on your team and compete that way. Slowly get yourself out of the contracts that are tying you down and then that $189 mill or whatever the number is in the future is more workable.

Yes the Yanks are not the Pirates or the Astros or any other low payroll team. They prove that by having a goal of a $189 million payroll which some fans complain about and act as if it's peanuts.

bingo. the yankees will be golden once thos elong term deals run out operating at 189 mil. it just sucks now because Arod, Tex, CC Jeter etc take up almost half it by themsevles

[Pinstripe power]

Doesn't produce results? How has this meme been allowed to continue? They've missed the playoffs once in 20 ****ing years.

this is the yankees. since when do we measure results in anything other than championships? we mad ethe ALCS this and look how people were still lsoing there minds. thats a successful seaosn almost anywhere else, not here

[Ill21]

If you don't want to spend money then sell the team . It's that simple

[Yankees 1903]

If you don't want to spend money then sell the team . It's that simple

$189 million is not spending money?

[Yankee Clipper]

$189 million is not spending money?

lulz.

[BigCityofDreams]

It's hard to cruticize Hal's perspective because he is right:



Who disagrees?

Problem is the Yankees can't develop players or don't have the patience to do it. Hal sounds like the fan that believes every kid is going to be a star.

[BigCityofDreams]

It makes no sense considering on how much money his family makes with everything counted up.....trust me, the tax, no matter how severe it will be, would not cripple the Yankees...Hal is basically going by a baseball budget with all other monies coming in not counted.....a joke!

This is like Broadway play charging the highest ticket prices and then bringing in high school actors in place of the stars....

How does Hal address the season ticket holders?

Bingo.