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    ESPNNY article on Hal Steinbrenner's penny-pinching

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...w-york-villain

    Basically what I posted last week. This needs to stop. We're in New York City, not Milwaukee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSpirit1 View Post
    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...w-york-villain

    Basically what I posted last week. This needs to stop. We're in New York City, not Milwaukee.
    Now you guys know what its like crosstown albeit not nearly as bad.
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    It's hard to cruticize Hal's perspective because he is right:

    I just feel that if you do well on the player development side and you have a good farm system, you don't need a $220 million payroll. You can field every bit as good a team with young talent."
    Who disagrees?
    “The Wilpons and Mr. Saul Katz — the people who say they don’t care about the team are sorely misguided,” Ojeda told the newspaper. “These are the biggest Mets fans you will meet."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    It's hard to cruticize Hal's perspective because he is right:



    Who disagrees?
    No problem with that but the Yankees farm system does not have major league ready players yet.....maybe a few but not what he thinks. There was no reason to lose Martin to the Pirates....You resign Kuroda, Pettitte and Mo and then lose your checkbook?

    No RF
    No C
    No 3rd basemen

    Martin should have been signed....Keppinger and Chavez should have been signed to 1 year deals were they could not refuse.

    And just give Ichy RF

    Why couldn't they take their chances with that?

    That would have kept the team in the top of the East for at least the beginning of the season...the offseason is far from over but the way it looks Kuroda, Mo and Pettitte got ripped off with the team they are currently on..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    It's hard to cruticize Hal's perspective because he is right:



    Who disagrees?
    Problem is the Yankees can't develop players or don't have the patience to do it. Hal sounds like the fan that believes every kid is going to be a star.
    Friend: I think the NBA payed off the Heat in the first yr because of the politics. They threw game four and they payed Lebron because they were angry with what he did. So he had pay one way or another.

    F:There is no one in the draft coming out and trading players isn't going to happen. The Lakers are in trouble.

    F: Vogel doesn't run that team. Shaw does. If he leaves they are going to suck and Vogel will get fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityofDreams View Post
    Problem is the Yankees can't develop players or don't have the patience to do it. Hal sounds like the fan that believes every kid is going to be a star.
    right, thats the problem, not them spending. they need to fix that problem not just throw money at it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripe power View Post
    right, thats the problem, not them spending. they need to fix that problem not just throw money at it
    Them not spending is an issue as well though because it's the one advantage they have. Every team has one. The Rays can't flex their muscle financially so they have to be good at developing. If the Yankees limit the one advantage they have...then they have no advantage.
    Friend: I think the NBA payed off the Heat in the first yr because of the politics. They threw game four and they payed Lebron because they were angry with what he did. So he had pay one way or another.

    F:There is no one in the draft coming out and trading players isn't going to happen. The Lakers are in trouble.

    F: Vogel doesn't run that team. Shaw does. If he leaves they are going to suck and Vogel will get fired.

    -Heat fan


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityofDreams View Post
    Them not spending is an issue as well though because it's the one advantage they have. Every team has one. The Rays can't flex their muscle financially so they have to be good at developing. If the Yankees limit the one advantage they have...then they have no advantage.
    what advantage? how has that stragety faired for us as we have used it? we have 1 world series in the last 12 years, using that stargey of buy buy buy. thats not how you win anymore
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    You act like this is something new.

    The fans have known this has been coming for a long time.

    Everyone thinks the payroll is just too avoid the tax.

    This also affects our IFA money, which guys like Cano and Mariano Rivera were signed through. So it's imperative that the yankees reach this goal.

    I don't get what is so hard to understand, stop acting like a spoiled brat, there is no reason we can't win with a payroll of 189 of less. The yankees have one WON championship in the last 10 years with this whole throw money at everybody approach, it's time for a change. If you can't get with this, find another team to be a fan of. It's getting annoying. Deal with it or change teams, simple.

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    No non-sense!

    Quote Originally Posted by RCSowner View Post
    You act like this is something new.

    The fans have known this has been coming for a long time.

    Everyone thinks the payroll is just too avoid the tax.

    This also affects our IFA money, which guys like Cano and Mariano Rivera were signed through. So it's imperative that the yankees reach this goal.

    I don't get what is so hard to understand, stop acting like a spoiled brat, there is no reason we can't win with a payroll of 189 of less. The yankees have one WON championship in the last 10 years with this whole throw money at everybody approach, it's time for a change. If you can't get with this, find another team to be a fan of. It's getting annoying. Deal with it or change teams, simple.
    -------------------------------------------------------

    Hey, baseball is a marvelous sport but is also a business. Even the NYY have to stick to a budget. It's time to avoid bad contracts like ARod's.

    I love the Yankees and I love the fact that they are competitive every year, but during the 86-93 they did not even have a chance and I was a devoted fan just like right now. Your favorite team is like family: in good times and in bad times you love your family.

    PS: Robby Canó and Snake Boras want a contract for more than 7 years?...Adios Robinson!!!

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    This might be a great plan if we had an amazing farm system with players ready to jump up, but we don't. Nice kids in single A ball, years away.
    The 50 million that Hal gets to pocket in luxury tax savings won't seem so tasty when the stadium is empty in 2014 when we field a joke of a team.
    We are going to have two or three very lean years of rebuilding.
    Maybe 2015 opens with a boatload of fresh puppies who will have many growing pains. Could be exciting. Maybe Hal lets Cash supplement those puppies with some big free agents.
    Only thing is Hal is sending big smoke signals that he is selling this team.
    Already sold off half the YES network. Publicly stated he's a businessman, not a baseball man.
    Stay tuned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jango2000 View Post
    This might be a great plan if we had an amazing farm system with players ready to jump up, but we don't. Nice kids in single A ball, years away.
    The 50 million that Hal gets to pocket in luxury tax savings won't seem so tasty when the stadium is empty in 2014 when we field a joke of a team.
    We are going to have two or three very lean years of rebuilding.
    Maybe 2015 opens with a boatload of fresh puppies who will have many growing pains. Could be exciting. Maybe Hal lets Cash supplement those puppies with some big free agents.
    Only thing is Hal is sending big smoke signals that he is selling this team.
    Already sold off half the YES network. Publicly stated he's a businessman, not a baseball man.
    Stay tuned.
    I think you nailed it. Hal is not George. Even when the Yanks won in 2009 it looked forced when he showed up for the trophy presentation in the locker room after game 6. Never liked him or his brother. They remind me of the kids everyone on the block wanted to beat up. Aholes.
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    This was never a plan for 2013. It's his plan for building a good young team for 2014-2020. The faster everyone realizes that, the better.

    Pete Rose, here he comes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeter4president View Post
    This was never a plan for 2013. It's his plan for building a good young team for 2014-2020. The faster everyone realizes that, the better.
    Exactly.

    This is exactly the point...I think most fans understand the financial impact of the luxury tax and the need to get below $189, but for god's sake, have a fck'n plan for the year leading up to it and not look like a bunch of idiots losing out on below average, 1 year stop gaps.

    This all changes, however, if they trade Granderson and sign Hamilton and Ichiro...then all of a sudden, they're geniuses!
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    It's an interesting article. The 'market correction' the article speaks of those is subject to a lot of variables. In recent memory, home-grown aces (Cain, Weaver, possibly King Felix) are taking pay cuts to stay with home team. The thought that this tax is to be used for Verlander is very strained logic. Even the mention of Andrus, whose name is continuously the subject of trade rumors - there is no sure thing 2 years from now.

    I see the silver-lining, in that I could care less to watch Victorino and even Russell Martin. They are average players who are continually replaceable. Haren, Keppinger and even Soria I view as lost opportunities. We are counting on Pet and Mo to remain healthy, Kuroda to not regress, Hughes and Phelps to progress, and Cano to carry the offence.

    I see the business logic, but as it stands now - this is not a playoff team.

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