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[jsneller1985]

Pretty easy to do with perfect hind sight. I'm not mayhews biggest fan but who has drafted a pro bowler in virtually every spot like your suggesting with that draft board

No one, but even if TWO of those players were picked, we'd be 100 times better. Especially Chancellor and Mike Wallace.

[jsneller1985]

I can't wait til the draft, because the Lions are DEFINITELY drafting that safety from Texas. Very excited.

[mc18641]

In 2011, we started 5-0......

Since then, our record is 9-15 (including playoff game).

Not sure why everyone is hatin' on driz......or proud of this record.

I swear, we gotta be one of the few fan bases in the NFL considering a 9-15 record over the past 12 months a success.

[****ed in DET]

Here's a re-draft.

2009:
Matthew Stafford (QB)
Clay Matthews (OLB) instead of Brandon Pettigrew
Lesean McCoy (RB) instead of Louis Delmas
Louis Vasquez (RG) instead of DeAndre Levy
Mike Wallace (WR) instead of Derrick Williams
Chris Clemons (FS) instead of Sammie Lee Hill
Brandon Myers (TE) instead of Aaron Brown
Lance Lewis (OG) instead of Lydon Murtha
Larod Stephens-Howling (RB) instead of Zack Follett

2010:
Jason Pierre-Paul (DE) instead of Ndamkong Suh (probably trade back)
Rob Gronkowski (TE) instead of Jahvid Best (don’t trade up)
Jared Veldheer (LT) instead of Amari Spievey
Geno Atkins (DT) (4th round pick given up for Best)
Kam Chancellor (S) instead of Jason Fox
Wille Young

2011:
Mike Pouncey (C) (Instead of Nick Fairley)
Justin Houston (OLB) (Instead of Titus Young)
Richard Sherman (CB) Don’t trade up for Leshoure and draft him in 4th (could have traded down)
Trade up a couple slots to get Denarius Moore (WR) (instead of Doug Houge)
Jeremy Beal (DE) (instead of Johnny Culbreath)

2012:
Riley Reiff (RT)
Lavonte David (LB) instead of Broyles
Bobby Massie (OT) instead of Bill Bentley
Miles Burris (LB) instead of Ronnell Lewis
Josh Norman (CB) instead of Tahir Whitehead
Alfred Morris (RB) instead of Chris Greenwood
Jonte Green
David Molk (C) instead of Travis Lewis

QB: Matthew Stafford
RB: Lesean McCoy, Alfred Morris
WR: Calvin Johnson, Mike Wallace, Nate Burleson, Denarius Moore
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Brandon Myers, Tony Scheffler
LT: Jared Veldheer, Bobby Massie
LG: Rob Sims, Lance Louis
C: Mike Pouncey, David Molk
RG: Louis Vasquez, Stephen Peterman
RT: Bobby Massie, Gosder Cherlius

LE: Cliff Avril, Willie Young, Jeremy Beal
RE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Kyle Vanden Bosch
DT: Geno Atkins, Corey Williams

OLB: Clay Matthews, Miles Burris
MLB: (Let Tulloch Walk) Lavonte David
OLB: Justin Houston

CB: Joe Haden, Richard Sherman, Chris Houston, Josh Norman, Jonte Green, Alfonzo Dennard

FS: Chris Clemons

SS: Kam Chancellor

You're sitting at a 13-3 or 14-2 team here. We are 4-8 and underachieving. So yeah, GMs/Teams miss on draft picks.. if you're team is the Detroit Lions.

Look at that long and hard. That's what we COULD have. You guys have paid for tickets, jerseys and other things and supported this team through terrible and mediocre teams because you don't know any better. When are you going to demand more?

I glanced ahead and as soon as I saw Suh wasn't on the final roster, I disregarded it. If you are even going to second guess that pick, then it's totally fantasy land.

[det32]

Clay Matthews (OLB) instead of Brandon Pettigrew

the guy thet is injerd??


what a wasted picked that would have been

I am trying to figure out where we drafted Joe Haden because he was a first round pick in 2010 and you have us selecting JPP and Dennard was selected in the 7th round by the Patriots in the last years draft and neither one them are on your list.

there is alot wrong with it

[det32]

its all about the systum for alot of players.. mathuews could have came here and busted... we dont know


in other words just b/c thes players worked where they went dont mean they would here...

ojn top of that hitin 7 of 7 in every draft will never happen

[driz]

Am I REALLY reading that someone - even with the capability of hind sight - is telling me taking Clay Matthews over Pettigrew would have been bad???

I can't do it anymore.

[det32]

Am I REALLY reading that someone - even with the capability of hind sight - is telling me taking Clay Matthews over Pettigrew would have been bad???

I can't do it anymore.

if injured once = bust then sure....


im not happy with MM either but you need to hold every player to the same grade.. if they get injured then they are a wasted pick

[driz]

How many snaps did Broyles play before hurting another ACL?? You're going to compare that to Clay Matthews being the backbone of a defense, being in on every single down all season long, playing in his 4th year and getting a hamstring injury 10 weeks into the season?? The guy has missed like 2 games of his entire career. Broyles came in like week 7 and was done injured again by week 12.

See, it's ****ing comparisons like that and a complete and total lack of a logical approach to things that makes me want to bang my head against the wall in this thread.

[jsneller1985]

How many snaps did Broyles play before hurting another ACL?? You're going to compare that to Clay Matthews being the backbone of a defense, being in on every single down all season long, playing in his 4th year and getting a hamstring injury 10 weeks into the season?? The guy has missed like 2 games of his entire career. Broyles came in like week 7 and was done injured again by week 12.

See, it's ****ing comparisons like that and a complete and total lack of a logical approach to things that makes me want to bang my head against the wall in this thread.

Amen, brotha.

And I'm not saying that every single pick should/could have been switched, I just honestly think that Trent Williams/Joe Haden/JPP are better fits/needs than Ndamkong Suh. Not only that, look at the dude's contract. Who wants to pay $60 million to a DT? Lmao.

And if we would have picked up a couple of those players in the re-draft, we'd be a contender, not a pretender. We didn't deserve to be in the playoffs last year, and it shows this year.

[rocket]

if injured once = bust then sure....


im not happy with MM either but you need to hold every player to the same grade.. if they get injured then they are a wasted pick

Brady is a wasted pick

[Chickenfin]

Here's a re-draft.

2009:
Matthew Stafford (QB)
Clay Matthews (OLB) instead of Brandon Pettigrew
Lesean McCoy (RB) instead of Louis Delmas
Louis Vasquez (RG) instead of DeAndre Levy
Mike Wallace (WR) instead of Derrick Williams
Chris Clemons (FS) instead of Sammie Lee Hill
Brandon Myers (TE) instead of Aaron Brown
Lance Lewis (OG) instead of Lydon Murtha
Larod Stephens-Howling (RB) instead of Zack Follett

2010:
Jason Pierre-Paul (DE) instead of Ndamkong Suh (probably trade back)
Rob Gronkowski (TE) instead of Jahvid Best (don’t trade up)
Jared Veldheer (LT) instead of Amari Spievey
Geno Atkins (DT) (4th round pick given up for Best)
Kam Chancellor (S) instead of Jason Fox
Wille Young

2011:
Mike Pouncey (C) (Instead of Nick Fairley)
Justin Houston (OLB) (Instead of Titus Young)
Richard Sherman (CB) Don’t trade up for Leshoure and draft him in 4th (could have traded down)
Trade up a couple slots to get Denarius Moore (WR) (instead of Doug Houge)
Jeremy Beal (DE) (instead of Johnny Culbreath)

2012:
Riley Reiff (RT)
Lavonte David (LB) instead of Broyles
Bobby Massie (OT) instead of Bill Bentley
Miles Burris (LB) instead of Ronnell Lewis
Josh Norman (CB) instead of Tahir Whitehead
Alfred Morris (RB) instead of Chris Greenwood
Jonte Green
David Molk (C) instead of Travis Lewis

QB: Matthew Stafford
RB: Lesean McCoy, Alfred Morris
WR: Calvin Johnson, Mike Wallace, Nate Burleson, Denarius Moore
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Brandon Myers, Tony Scheffler
LT: Jared Veldheer, Bobby Massie
LG: Rob Sims, Lance Louis
C: Mike Pouncey, David Molk
RG: Louis Vasquez, Stephen Peterman
RT: Bobby Massie, Gosder Cherlius

LE: Cliff Avril, Willie Young, Jeremy Beal
RE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Kyle Vanden Bosch
DT: Geno Atkins, Corey Williams

OLB: Clay Matthews, Miles Burris
MLB: (Let Tulloch Walk) Lavonte David
OLB: Justin Houston

CB: Joe Haden, Richard Sherman, Chris Houston, Josh Norman, Jonte Green, Alfonzo Dennard

FS: Chris Clemons

SS: Kam Chancellor

You're sitting at a 13-3 or 14-2 team here. We are 4-8 and underachieving. So yeah, GMs/Teams miss on draft picks.. if you're team is the Detroit Lions.

Look at that long and hard. That's what we COULD have. You guys have paid for tickets, jerseys and other things and supported this team through terrible and mediocre teams because you don't know any better. When are you going to demand more?

You do know about scheme fits don't you?

Clay Matthews would be a piss poor LB in a 4-3 system
Justin Houston would be a piss poor LB in a 4-3 system

Both are RUSH LB's in 3-4 systems or undersized DE's in a 4-3 not LB's and you can't go back and say what if half of those guys don't fit what Lions do/did at the time they became great players but doesn't mean they would have in Detroit

Also at the time of the draft in 2010 Suh was considered the best prospect in a long time and a once in a generation player so trading back/drafting someone else would have caused a riot

[det32]

How many snaps did Broyles play before hurting another ACL?? You're going to compare that to Clay Matthews being the backbone of a defense, being in on every single down all season long, playing in his 4th year and getting a hamstring injury 10 weeks into the season?? The guy has missed like 2 games of his entire career. Broyles came in like week 7 and was done injured again by week 12.

See, it's ****ing comparisons like that and a complete and total lack of a logical approach to things that makes me want to bang my head against the wall in this thread.

no one knows how any one will come back.. or how a 3-4 LB would do in a 4-3..

You do know about scheme fits don't you?

Also at the time of the draft in 2010 Suh was considered the best prospect in a long time and a once in a generation player so trading back/drafting someone else would have caused a riot

prety much somes up my thoughts... why you cant go bac and do redrafts..

you end up with the same what ifs... coaches sceems.. teamates ect ect alll play a huge facter

[jsneller1985]

You do know about scheme fits don't you?

Clay Matthews would be a piss poor LB in a 4-3 system
Justin Houston would be a piss poor LB in a 4-3 system

Both are RUSH LB's in 3-4 systems or undersized DE's in a 4-3 not LB's and you can't go back and say what if half of those guys don't fit what Lions do/did at the time they became great players but doesn't mean they would have in Detroit

Also at the time of the draft in 2010 Suh was considered the best prospect in a long time and a once in a generation player so trading back/drafting someone else would have caused a riot

Would you rather have Clay Matthews as a DE or a "piss-poor" OLB or Brandon Pettigew?

Would you rather have Justin Houston as a DE or a "piss-poor" OLB or Titus Young?

Come on, be realistic. If that was the case, could have traded Avril to the Patriots for their 1st rounder like they wanted. Lmao.

Why do you people make excuses for our poor drafts by mentioning schemes? It's dumb to think that these "FAR SUPERIOR" athletes and football players wouldn't fit in to our team.

Keep riding your sub-par Detroit Lions team to mediocrity and abysmal records and keep buying tickets and jerseys instead of demanding more. Nice work.

[BucketheadZ06]

Amen, brotha.

And I'm not saying that every single pick should/could have been switched, I just honestly think that Trent Williams/Joe Haden/JPP are better fits/needs than Ndamkong Suh. Not only that, look at the dude's contract. Who wants to pay $60 million to a DT? Lmao.

And if we would have picked up a couple of those players in the re-draft, we'd be a contender, not a pretender. We didn't deserve to be in the playoffs last year, and it shows this year.

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